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Come on. We’ve got plenty of workers in this country. They’re just not willing to work for pennies (and why should they?) Importing masses of unskilled labor p

Come on. We’ve got plenty of workers in this country. They’re just not willing to work for pennies (and why should they?) Importing masses of unskilled labor puts downward pressure on wages. This is basic supply and demand.

llamaimperative 2y ago
> We’ve got plenty of workers in this country. Citation needed > They’re just not willing to work for pennies What jobs pay pennies? > This is basic supply and demand In a universe where more people in the country doesn't also increase demand, sure. That's not the universe we live in though.
- lp0_on_fire 2y ago
  Look at the unemployment numbers. “Pays Pennies” is a common English phrase that means “a job that doesn’t pay well”. I.e. jobs they pay at or slightly above the minimum wage. Why should native workers be displaced by those seeking asylum simply because the people seeking asylum are willing to work at OR BELOW minimum wage? I sympathize with their plight but to pretend that many of them aren’t economic migrants vs those who are actually fleeing imminent danger seems naive. And before the argument is made: I absolutely support crippling fines for those employers who KNOWINGLY hire under the table to skirt minimum wage laws.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    The unemployment rate for US-born workers is literally the lowest it has ever been in history. You're going to need evidence, not thought experiments.
  - alborzb 2y ago
    Let's set the record straight. Here's an article that is well cited, with sources all linked within, from the Economic Policy Institute. https://www.epi.org/blog/immigrants-are-not-hurting-u-s-born-workers-six-facts-to-set-the-record-straight/ https://www.epi.org/blog/immigrants-are-not-hurting-u-s-born... >>1) The unemployment rate for U.S.-born workers is the lowest rate on record ( 3.6% ) >>2) The rate of U.S.-born individuals aged 25–54 with a job is at its highest rate in more than two decades >>3) Immigrants only make up 18.6% of the labor force. By any metric you look at , it become obviously clear that immigration is not causing high unemployment among U.S.-born workers.

llamaimperative 2y ago

> We’ve got plenty of workers in this country. Citation needed > They’re just not willing to work for pennies What jobs pay pennies? > This is basic supply and demand In a universe where more people in the country doesn't also increase demand, sure. That's not the universe we live in though.

lp0_on_fire 2y ago
Look at the unemployment numbers. “Pays Pennies” is a common English phrase that means “a job that doesn’t pay well”. I.e. jobs they pay at or slightly above the minimum wage. Why should native workers be displaced by those seeking asylum simply because the people seeking asylum are willing to work at OR BELOW minimum wage? I sympathize with their plight but to pretend that many of them aren’t economic migrants vs those who are actually fleeing imminent danger seems naive. And before the argument is made: I absolutely support crippling fines for those employers who KNOWINGLY hire under the table to skirt minimum wage laws.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  The unemployment rate for US-born workers is literally the lowest it has ever been in history. You're going to need evidence, not thought experiments.
- alborzb 2y ago
  Let's set the record straight. Here's an article that is well cited, with sources all linked within, from the Economic Policy Institute. https://www.epi.org/blog/immigrants-are-not-hurting-u-s-born-workers-six-facts-to-set-the-record-straight/ https://www.epi.org/blog/immigrants-are-not-hurting-u-s-born... >>1) The unemployment rate for U.S.-born workers is the lowest rate on record ( 3.6% ) >>2) The rate of U.S.-born individuals aged 25–54 with a job is at its highest rate in more than two decades >>3) Immigrants only make up 18.6% of the labor force. By any metric you look at , it become obviously clear that immigration is not causing high unemployment among U.S.-born workers.