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the previous poster didn't say that subarus are not appropriate for fire trails, it's saying that Subaru's are not off road vehicles for "particularly challengi

the previous poster didn't say that subarus are not appropriate for fire trails, it's saying that Subaru's are not off road vehicles for "particularly challenging terrain", as in "Think step rough rock climbs or soft sand." What it does say is that for fire trails, "clearance, strong tyres and suspension travel" are more important, which the Subaru does quality for.

quasse 2y ago
> it's clearance, strong tyres and suspension travel that’s more important. > A Subaru has none of the above. Maybe you and I take different meanings from the phrase "none of the above". My intended meaning was that a Subaru has "some of the above".
- davidbanham 2y ago
  You correctly interpreted my meaning with "none of the above". An older gen Forester with a good set of tyres fitted can fit the bill, for sure. The Subaru Brumby is an outback legend and you still see plenty of them rolling around, going more places than you'd imagine possible. A Subaru Crosstrek wearing it's original HT tyres, though? It's not intended as an off-road vehicle. That's not what it was built for. Low clearance, insufficient travel, weak tyres.
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  - worthless-trash 2y ago
    Can confirm the Brumby behavior, If there is one vehicle you will see driving like a maniac on the the CREB / Bloomfield track in North Queensland it's a brumby driver usually with a ZZ Top length beard.
SR2Z 2y ago
But "clearance, strong tyres and suspension travel" have NOTHING to do with 4WD vs AWD, which as far as I can tell is kind of a silly distinction since nowadays cars have sophisticated enough drivetrains that they can use brake-based torque vectoring to force up to half the engine torque into one wheel.
- avar 2y ago
  They clearly could do that, since ABS systems allow for independent braking on each wheel. But I'm unaware of any production AWD vehicle which allows that as a "hack" to emulate a sort-of locked differential when your hardware is an open differential. It's probably used as part of computer controlled traction control on some vehicles, but those systems are usually too smart for their own good in off-road and similarly challenging conditions.
  - davidbanham 2y ago
    Actually independent wheel braking as part of an electronic traction control system is pretty common and _can be_ excellent. The Land Rover Discovery looks to have gotten a bit soft in the latest iteration, but they've used that system for years. Coupled with the coil suspension all round with good articulation, they're well regarded off road. Not long-term durable on high speed rough roads, mind you, but brilliant at climbing a snotty hill. For serious or regular off road work, a mechanical locking diff is the way to go. Yes, most electronic systems will completely freak out and stop you going anywhere in soft sand until you remember to turn them off. They do have their place though.
  - SkyPuncher 2y ago
    Many production AWD systems include this. My Hyundai Palisade has it (in addition to an actual locking rear differential). That being said, it’s amazing for snow and ice, but I would not trust it to get me unstuck from rocks or a ditch.
  - kevinpet 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure all recent Subaru's (other than BRZ, which is a totally different platform) have wheel spin control using the braking system.
    - aeonik 2y ago
      They do, though some use a clutch-based system. They have 4 different systems if I am not mistaken. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQlK89PyxQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQlK89PyxQ

quasse 2y ago

> it's clearance, strong tyres and suspension travel that’s more important. > A Subaru has none of the above. Maybe you and I take different meanings from the phrase "none of the above". My intended meaning was that a Subaru has "some of the above".

davidbanham 2y ago
You correctly interpreted my meaning with "none of the above". An older gen Forester with a good set of tyres fitted can fit the bill, for sure. The Subaru Brumby is an outback legend and you still see plenty of them rolling around, going more places than you'd imagine possible. A Subaru Crosstrek wearing it's original HT tyres, though? It's not intended as an off-road vehicle. That's not what it was built for. Low clearance, insufficient travel, weak tyres.
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- worthless-trash 2y ago
  Can confirm the Brumby behavior, If there is one vehicle you will see driving like a maniac on the the CREB / Bloomfield track in North Queensland it's a brumby driver usually with a ZZ Top length beard.

SR2Z 2y ago

But "clearance, strong tyres and suspension travel" have NOTHING to do with 4WD vs AWD, which as far as I can tell is kind of a silly distinction since nowadays cars have sophisticated enough drivetrains that they can use brake-based torque vectoring to force up to half the engine torque into one wheel.

avar 2y ago
They clearly could do that, since ABS systems allow for independent braking on each wheel. But I'm unaware of any production AWD vehicle which allows that as a "hack" to emulate a sort-of locked differential when your hardware is an open differential. It's probably used as part of computer controlled traction control on some vehicles, but those systems are usually too smart for their own good in off-road and similarly challenging conditions.
- davidbanham 2y ago
  Actually independent wheel braking as part of an electronic traction control system is pretty common and _can be_ excellent. The Land Rover Discovery looks to have gotten a bit soft in the latest iteration, but they've used that system for years. Coupled with the coil suspension all round with good articulation, they're well regarded off road. Not long-term durable on high speed rough roads, mind you, but brilliant at climbing a snotty hill. For serious or regular off road work, a mechanical locking diff is the way to go. Yes, most electronic systems will completely freak out and stop you going anywhere in soft sand until you remember to turn them off. They do have their place though.
- SkyPuncher 2y ago
  Many production AWD systems include this. My Hyundai Palisade has it (in addition to an actual locking rear differential). That being said, it’s amazing for snow and ice, but I would not trust it to get me unstuck from rocks or a ditch.
- kevinpet 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure all recent Subaru's (other than BRZ, which is a totally different platform) have wheel spin control using the braking system.
  - aeonik 2y ago
    They do, though some use a clutch-based system. They have 4 different systems if I am not mistaken. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQlK89PyxQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBQlK89PyxQ