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I'm going to give this (rather hostile and dismissive) comment the benefit of the doubt, and answer it with the idea that you really don't understand this and t

I'm going to give this (rather hostile and dismissive) comment the benefit of the doubt, and answer it with the idea that you really don't understand this and that you want to. >>> Why would you need to consume any erythitol at all to be on a keto diet anyway? Because making lifestyle changes often involves finding ways to make those changes tolerable within your own levels of motivation and stress-tolerance. >>> I don't think it takes any particular self control to just cut sweeteners of both the natural and artificial kind out. It may not for you, but I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of the population wants to eat sweet things sometimes. They would consider it a major quality-of-life loss to not be able to do so. >>> Why not just switch to recipes that don't need it at all and avoid the hassle? Perhaps they've tried and haven't found ones they like. Perhaps they're not a skilled cook, or lack the appropriate facilities for good home cooking. Perhaps they don't have a lot of time to cook for themselves, or money to eat out, and they just eat what they've got around. >>> What exactly is so disgusting to you about a nice steak with a side of sauteed green beans and pinto beans? Well, speaking for myself: I don't like green beans or pinto beans. I'd also point out that there is excellent health evidence to suggest the consumption of red meat is detrimental to health. So why aren't you cutting out the steak? (Perhaps because you enjoy the steak and are willing to make some trade-offs of optimum health for personal life enjoyment?) >>> but I've tried cutting all sweeteners and simple carbs out many times and it's always been easy Yes, nothing says "it's easy" like "I've tried it many times". That aside, though: something that is easy for you may not be easy for me or for someone else, and vice-versa. How hard something is is not an objective quantity conserved across all people. The most obvious example of that is physical disability ("going up stairs is so easy? why can't you just stand up and climb?"), but motivational and hedonic needs also vary dramatically from one person to another.

doctorpangloss 2y ago
Well no one replying to this thread is a doctor. Maybe the question is, why not go ask a doctor for what to do about diet and exercise related health problems?
- dawnerd 2y ago
  I personally have and am dieting in accordance with my doctor who signed off on my meal plans which include these sweeteners.
  - doctorpangloss 2y ago
    That’s the best information to hear. If the goal is weight loss, it is interesting what the conversation could be like today, since GLP-1s are more in the zeitgeist.
- rachofsunshine 2y ago
  I just lost about 130 pounds over the past two years (328 -> 196). It wasn't because I learned something new. It was because I figured out how to actually do the things that I already knew that I should. I didn't even do anything as dramatic as keto. I just ate less and exercised more (and spent time at high altitude, which seems to be a massive factor for me). But the "just" there is doing a lot of work, because actually doing that was really really hard and was the result of nearly a decade of growth and self-improvement in my ability to manage my own behavior. Nutritional advice is pretty simple, at its basics. Eat a reasonable number of calories, minimize saturated fat and sugar intake, eat red meat sparingly, get some vegetables in there. There's more detail than that (obviously, that's what this thread is about), but that's sufficient for basic health. There's almost no one in the developed world who couldn't give that advice. But we have an obesity epidemic anyway. People know what to do. They just don't do it, and that's a different category of problem.
  - ksec 2y ago
    >People know what to do. They just don't do it, and that's a different category of problem. Most people dont understand weight loss isn't about Food or Nutrition. It is actually 99% mental model changes. Not to mention the possible depression etc you get while you are at it. It is like people who want to do Gym and figuring out which Exercise is best for muscle growth etc. But actually getting into the gym is 99% of the job. Without it, you get nothing.
- 2y ago

doctorpangloss 2y ago

Well no one replying to this thread is a doctor. Maybe the question is, why not go ask a doctor for what to do about diet and exercise related health problems?

dawnerd 2y ago
I personally have and am dieting in accordance with my doctor who signed off on my meal plans which include these sweeteners.
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  That’s the best information to hear. If the goal is weight loss, it is interesting what the conversation could be like today, since GLP-1s are more in the zeitgeist.
rachofsunshine 2y ago
I just lost about 130 pounds over the past two years (328 -> 196). It wasn't because I learned something new. It was because I figured out how to actually do the things that I already knew that I should. I didn't even do anything as dramatic as keto. I just ate less and exercised more (and spent time at high altitude, which seems to be a massive factor for me). But the "just" there is doing a lot of work, because actually doing that was really really hard and was the result of nearly a decade of growth and self-improvement in my ability to manage my own behavior. Nutritional advice is pretty simple, at its basics. Eat a reasonable number of calories, minimize saturated fat and sugar intake, eat red meat sparingly, get some vegetables in there. There's more detail than that (obviously, that's what this thread is about), but that's sufficient for basic health. There's almost no one in the developed world who couldn't give that advice. But we have an obesity epidemic anyway. People know what to do. They just don't do it, and that's a different category of problem.
- ksec 2y ago
  >People know what to do. They just don't do it, and that's a different category of problem. Most people dont understand weight loss isn't about Food or Nutrition. It is actually 99% mental model changes. Not to mention the possible depression etc you get while you are at it. It is like people who want to do Gym and figuring out which Exercise is best for muscle growth etc. But actually getting into the gym is 99% of the job. Without it, you get nothing.
2y ago