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How does that cause a population decrease? "It's too expensive, no one lives there anymore"?
by nullc 2y ago
How does that cause a population decrease?
"It's too expensive, no one lives there anymore"?
- JohnMakin 2y agoPeople leaving the city for less expensive areas
- moneil971 2y agoThis is about the U.S. as a whole tho. I don’t think people are leaving the U.S. entirely
- JohnMakin 2y agoThere is a table that shows the cities with biggest population loss, which is what I am referencing.
- vlovich123 2y agoThat explains migration within a country which doesn’t change population counts. Unless you’re claiming that white people are moving out of America because it’s too expensive and simultaneously Hispanics are moving into a higher COL area (even if not high COL cities, America as a whole is going to be higher COL than Latin America). Based on the news I’ve been following, a more likely explanation is that Biden’s immigration policy has been more welcoming on the southern border at the same time as Latin America destabilizing quite a bit politically and generating a lot of refugee migration. I just don’t see how high COL or lack of housing being built explains the population growth being dominated by Hispanics.
- JohnMakin 2y agothat is sort of my entire point, pointing to California’s massive population loss is completely irrelevant data for the topic of this article. I don’t have the data in front of me, but I would be willing to bet a large percentage of that is not due to birth rates and is due to emigration.
- vlovich123 2y agoSure, but surely you agree that migration within a country and between countries are massively different undertakings and that things that impact one are less likely to impact the other?
- nullc 2y agoAnd when they leave, their home remains empty?
- everybodyknows 2y agoKids need bedrooms of their own. Young couples take this into account when managing contraception.
- j0hnyl 2y agoNot really. That's a luxury.
- ericd 2y agoWhy is this being downvoted? Do you all not know people whose kids are in the same room? Ours are. Someone we know has 4 kids in a 2 BR apartment, those kids are great.
- happytoexplain 2y agoNeither of the anecdotes you've provided imply that children having their own bedroom is a luxury. Only that the opposite does happen, and isn't necessarily bad for the children in every case. There is a wide space between those, and you should pay respect to the differences between different people. As for an explanation regarding the parent comment: Their use of the word "luxury" in this context antagonizes people by implying their standards are too high or they're spoiled or whatever, when really it's a perfectly reasonable thing to prioritize - and a perfectly reasonable thing not to prioritize. I.e. they have introduced team A vs team B negativity where it doesn't need to exist.
- jeffbee 2y agoThe number of people per household has been declining for fifty years, so if you don't build homes then you lose people instead.
- vlovich123 2y agoWhere are those people going and why are Hispanics moving in?
- jeffbee 2y agoI don't think housing costs explain the short-term changes described in this article. I am only answering the question of how housing costs lead to population decreases.
- vlovich123 2y agoWouldn’t those still generally be local not national decreases? If there’s contrary research showing housing prices specifically lead to emigration I’d love to learn more. It’s not representative of any narratives I’ve heard in media or in my personal life. I could see how a higher COL and needing to work crazy hours is seeing more families delay children and/or having fewer children. But that’s a little more general than “expensive housing” and not something I’ve heard as even a thing for America expats, except those nearing retirement age. So maybe it could be Boomers choosing to retire abroad which could explain it but I haven’t seen this en masse in enough ways to make me believe it could be realistic.