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Here is good discussion about sweeteners from Derek Lowe: Trouble With Erythritol https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/trouble-erythritol https://www.sci
by nabla9 2y ago
Here is good discussion about sweeteners from Derek Lowe:
Trouble With Erythritol
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/trouble-erythritol https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/trouble-erythritol
Sugar Substitutes Surprise
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/sugar-substitutes-surprise https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/sugar-substitutes-...
And Now Xylitol
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/and-now-xylitol https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/and-now-xylitol
It seem that most artificial sweeteners have issues. But interestingly aspartame is probably the least harmful, if not for other reason than being so sweet that you need much less of the molecule, and get always low dose.
> .... At any rate, I would regard these studies as reason enough to avoid both of these compounds as sweeteners, and I would extend the caution to the other sugar alcohols as well (maltitol, mannitol, sorbitol, etc.) We really need to understand more about these things, and ditching the sugar-free gummy candies and the like seems like a prudent move.
>Naturally, the question comes up about the effects of other artificial sweeteners. I also wrote last year about a study that showed that saccharin and sucralose seem to have unexpected effects on glucose tolerance, but aspartame and stevia did not show this. One difference between some of these and the sugar alcohols is that things like aspartame (and acesulfam-K) are far, far sweeter than sugar and are thus used in much lower amounts. You don't have the gut-fermentation aspect the way you do with the quantities of sugar alcohols that are needed.
>Note that I am discounting the years of hyperventilating messages about aspartame (in particular) leading to supposedly sweeping epidemics of cancer, autism, seizures and what have you. These are not based on any solid evidence, and after the original trials and forty years on the worldwide market, there would be solid evidence by now if any such things were happening.
>No, for bad effects coming from artificial sweeteners, I would look to just kinds of things we're talking about now: slight impairments or increases in trouble in areas that many likely customers for lower-calorie foods already would be experiencing trouble with (glucose tolerance, cardiovascular effects). This makes such things harder to spot in a population; you need a good amount of effort in well-powered trials to believe that they're there at all (the glucose tolerance results are in need of this for more validation, I should add). Let's find out what's going on.
- ranger_danger 2y ago> aspartame is probably the least harmful I'm not doubting you, but it's interesting because this is the only one that gives me noticeable problems, although for decades I had no issue with it. Then one day it just started where any time I try to drink a diet soda (with aspartame), I now get massive headaches... no idea why.
- square_usual 2y agoOh wow, me too! I thought I was the only one. I can't drink a diet coke without getting a mild headache.
- wildrhythms 2y agoI also get headaches after consuming aspartame, and they are more severe than a normal headache, and come on about 30 minutes after drinking it, consistently.
- valec 2y agonow if only neotame was mass produced.. (100x aspartame's potency but requires more synthetic steps to reach)
- asah 2y agoNeotame is cool stuff, I bought a packet online and it's wild. Ultimately, I went back to stevia which is fine for my purposes.
- mistercow 2y agoYou can get neotame online, including on Amazon. I really dislike it though. Its sweetness has a very strange attack and decay, if that makes sense, so that there isn’t really a right amount to use where it won’t taste some combination of too sweet and not sweet enough over the course of a bite or sip.
- mistercow 2y agoSucralose is also extremely potent, for what it’s worth, so that you only have to use a tiny amount of it. It’s one thing you have to look out for in studies on the health effects of a lot of artificial sweeteners, particularly in animals. The doses might look reasonable at first glance, but are often orders of magnitude greater than anyone would actually consume. (This doesn’t apply to sugar alcohols, mind you, which tend to have a similar or even lesser sweetness to sugar.)