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How is that average calculated though? If everyone switches from buying the $40k Camry to the $85k F150, prices didn't have to change for the "average price of
by mrguyorama 2y ago
How is that average calculated though? If everyone switches from buying the $40k Camry to the $85k F150, prices didn't have to change for the "average price of a new car" to increase. This isn't a dismissal since we can compare every model year to the previous and see an increase YoY in prices without serious improvements to the underlying product. We have also seen everyone going from sedans to trucks though.
>It would mean financial ruin to borrow two-thirds of your income for a car. The automakers have forgotten Henry Ford's lesson. He payed his workers enough so they could each afford the products he was selling.
I agree but the problem is that business owners don't like how much money comes from that system and prefer competing for people's lines of credit, because an economy where everyone has $40k in debt literally has more money sloshing around it than one where everyone buys their car outright, and that means more profit, which is the entire goal of every CEO everywhere, so of course every CEO wants you to go into debt for them. Unfortunately, a lot of people can leverage themselves farther than they can actually afford for long enough that some CEO can extract profit before the entire system collapses.
A shitload of profit and CEO salary was made in the run up to 2008, and none of the people who extracted that wealth from the system went to jail, so why are we surprised they're trying to do it again?
Scientology managed to distill this down to the bones; They simply had people sign up for credit cards and max them out buying scientology stuff. Since the penalty for debt goes to the people who took it, instead of the place the money the debt went, there's infinite incentive to do this. CEOs look at that system and get extremely jealous.
- throw10920 2y ago> I agree but the problem is that business owners don't like how much money comes from that system and prefer competing for people's lines of credit, because an economy where everyone has $40k in debt literally has more money sloshing around it than one where everyone buys their car outright It's even simpler than that, and "greed" doesn't come into the equation anywhere: any market where goods/services are subdized will lead to more expensive goods and services, by simple economics. Even industries where companies are "good", and try to provide quality goods to customers at an affordable price point (while still turning a small profit) will see this happen, because the excess capital will push the apparent "affordable" point up - its effective, unwitting collusion for entire markets. This is happening in healthcare (insurance that has transformed from being actual insurance in case of catastrophic injury, into cost-sharing), home prices (cheap mortgages), cars (cheap financing), and education (cheap student loans). Debt needs to be more expensive. Insurance needs to only be for catastrophic events.