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did they need to build all that? I'm all for them doing something new, especially integrated tiling support. But it seems they have taken on way too much for a

by awill 2y ago

did they need to build all that? I'm all for them doing something new, especially integrated tiling support. But it seems they have taken on way too much for a small company.

JeremyNT 2y ago
As an owner of a System76 laptop I'm really conflicted on this stuff. On the one hand, I'm glad to see developer attention given to the Linux desktop. I use and like GNOME well enough, but it's great to see competition and innovation. On the other... I guess when I buy System76, I'm effectively paying a markup to subsidize development of these side projects (I'll never use pop_OS for example). As somebody who's looking to just buy a computer, it makes justifying the expense of System76 a little more difficult. There are other Clevo rebadgers, after all.
- ralfn 2y ago
  There isn't a fixed number of Linux users. Your economic model for this is misguided. System76 seems to want to sell to engineers, researchers and data scientists. The competition here is a MacBook with the typical Unix ecosystem or a Windows laptop with WSL. So this allows them to take control of the total user experience and increase their customer base. Their target audience is people who want and need a Unix based environment, are power users, but don't want to play around too much. So this investment is intended to sell more laptops. I think they have a fair shot at making this pay for itself and they have a small but reasonable opportunity to grow exponentially and become a player of a seriously different size. I would assume people on HN could appreciate the ambition.
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    Framework, Lenovo, Dell all offer linux laptops now. I like what they are doing though. To be fair, I really love the concept of tge Framework though. I recently bought a secpnd nvme ssd for my gaming pc and put Kubuntu on it, I'm not sure I want to go back to a laptop. It's insanely fast.
- tapoxi 2y ago
  Framework is a good option in the Linux laptop space, aside from the awkward aspect ratio on the 14.
  - ziml77 2y ago
    Awkward? Nah. My Surface Book had a 3:2 aspect ratio and it felt just right for that screen size (for larger screens I do think 16:10 is better)
  - darthrupert 2y ago
    Taste is taste, but personally the aspect ratio was in the top #3 reasons why I got a Framework.

by awill 2y ago

did they need to build all that? I'm all for them doing something new, especially integrated tiling support. But it seems they have taken on way too much for a small company.

JeremyNT 2y ago

As an owner of a System76 laptop I'm really conflicted on this stuff. On the one hand, I'm glad to see developer attention given to the Linux desktop. I use and like GNOME well enough, but it's great to see competition and innovation. On the other... I guess when I buy System76, I'm effectively paying a markup to subsidize development of these side projects (I'll never use pop_OS for example). As somebody who's looking to just buy a computer, it makes justifying the expense of System76 a little more difficult. There are other Clevo rebadgers, after all.

ralfn 2y ago
There isn't a fixed number of Linux users. Your economic model for this is misguided. System76 seems to want to sell to engineers, researchers and data scientists. The competition here is a MacBook with the typical Unix ecosystem or a Windows laptop with WSL. So this allows them to take control of the total user experience and increase their customer base. Their target audience is people who want and need a Unix based environment, are power users, but don't want to play around too much. So this investment is intended to sell more laptops. I think they have a fair shot at making this pay for itself and they have a small but reasonable opportunity to grow exponentially and become a player of a seriously different size. I would assume people on HN could appreciate the ambition.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  Framework, Lenovo, Dell all offer linux laptops now. I like what they are doing though. To be fair, I really love the concept of tge Framework though. I recently bought a secpnd nvme ssd for my gaming pc and put Kubuntu on it, I'm not sure I want to go back to a laptop. It's insanely fast.
tapoxi 2y ago
Framework is a good option in the Linux laptop space, aside from the awkward aspect ratio on the 14.
- ziml77 2y ago
  Awkward? Nah. My Surface Book had a 3:2 aspect ratio and it felt just right for that screen size (for larger screens I do think 16:10 is better)
- darthrupert 2y ago
  Taste is taste, but personally the aspect ratio was in the top #3 reasons why I got a Framework.