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Musk regularly interacts with far - right extremists across Europe. While he can speak English, it is not a surprise to interact with British ones. What is more

Musk regularly interacts with far - right extremists across Europe. While he can speak English, it is not a surprise to interact with British ones. What is more surprising he also interacts with German ones (while not able to speak the language, yet to understand German culture or society). It is very ironic that far right extremists organise themself globally (or earlier on European level like identarian movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identitarian_movement )

alephnerd 2y ago
I always wondered how much of his worldview is influenced by his childhood in South Africa and the diaspora. Him and David Sacks are both products of the the 1980s, when plenty of wealthy and educated White South Africans began leaving due to the Sanctions regime, but continued to hold onto regressive views about race, especially exacerbated by the instability of the 1990s.
trallnag 2y ago
Why is it ironic? Racism and right wing extremism comes in many shapes and colors. Some want to make Poland Germany again, others what to keep non-Europeans out of Europe with all means necessary
- acdha 2y ago
  I agree. Ironic isn’t the right term because while these groups are often tied to different national identities, they often share white nationalism, conservative Christianity, etc. and have been able to agree on a common set of enemies. This would fall apart quickly if they had to govern together but it’s fairly effective until they run out of enemies.
- snowpid 2y ago
  " Some want to make Poland Germany again, " This is a very fringe view in German politics, almost non existing. " what to keep non-Europeans out of Europe with all means necessary " I guess thats far more popular.
  - AnonymousPlanet 2y ago
    If the sentiment that regions beyond the Oder-Neiße are part of Germany is fringe, why label Sachsen, Thüringen and Sachsen-Anhalt as Mitteldeutschland? Why is there a Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk (MDR) but not an Ostdeutscher Rundfunk, as an analog to NDR, WDR, SDR? It's territory can hardly be seen as the middle of Germany. If you hold the belief that Schlesien is a part of Germany, however, that label suddenly makes sense.
    - snowpid 2y ago
      Yes ans that is the greatest reminiscence and given you couldn't name any politician I guess everybody sees how fringe it is. Most Germans aren't aware of the German speaking minority in Silisea.
    - ttepasse 2y ago
      The term Mitteldeutschland has a far longer history going back to the 19th century - to define a different collection of region between the big Northern Germany (then prussian dominated) and Southern Germany (then Bavarian and partially Austrian dominated). I'm not sure if it was wise to keep using it because of misunderstandings like yours, but there seem to a form of mitteldeutscher identity. And what is called Ostdeutschland ist not just MDR but also RBB and NDR. Take a look at the map: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:ARD_Karte.svg https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:ARD_Karte.svg
rsynnott 2y ago
> It is very ironic that far right extremists organise themself globally The one that’s baffling to me is the Irish far-right movement, which is essentially a satellite movement of the British one (to the point where one of their propaganda rags, “The Irish Light” is literally a localised version of a British one called “The Light”). Given the history between the UK and Ireland, and the general attitude of the British far-right to Ireland, this is all just bizarre. While there are a couple of Ireland-and-Northern-Ireland political parties, the far right is the only truly integrated political movement between Ireland and the UK as a whole. The whole thing is very odd. It’s er, not where you’d normally expect internationalism.

alephnerd 2y ago

I always wondered how much of his worldview is influenced by his childhood in South Africa and the diaspora. Him and David Sacks are both products of the the 1980s, when plenty of wealthy and educated White South Africans began leaving due to the Sanctions regime, but continued to hold onto regressive views about race, especially exacerbated by the instability of the 1990s.

trallnag 2y ago

Why is it ironic? Racism and right wing extremism comes in many shapes and colors. Some want to make Poland Germany again, others what to keep non-Europeans out of Europe with all means necessary

acdha 2y ago
I agree. Ironic isn’t the right term because while these groups are often tied to different national identities, they often share white nationalism, conservative Christianity, etc. and have been able to agree on a common set of enemies. This would fall apart quickly if they had to govern together but it’s fairly effective until they run out of enemies.
snowpid 2y ago
" Some want to make Poland Germany again, " This is a very fringe view in German politics, almost non existing. " what to keep non-Europeans out of Europe with all means necessary " I guess thats far more popular.
- AnonymousPlanet 2y ago
  If the sentiment that regions beyond the Oder-Neiße are part of Germany is fringe, why label Sachsen, Thüringen and Sachsen-Anhalt as Mitteldeutschland? Why is there a Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk (MDR) but not an Ostdeutscher Rundfunk, as an analog to NDR, WDR, SDR? It's territory can hardly be seen as the middle of Germany. If you hold the belief that Schlesien is a part of Germany, however, that label suddenly makes sense.
  - snowpid 2y ago
    Yes ans that is the greatest reminiscence and given you couldn't name any politician I guess everybody sees how fringe it is. Most Germans aren't aware of the German speaking minority in Silisea.
  - ttepasse 2y ago
    The term Mitteldeutschland has a far longer history going back to the 19th century - to define a different collection of region between the big Northern Germany (then prussian dominated) and Southern Germany (then Bavarian and partially Austrian dominated). I'm not sure if it was wise to keep using it because of misunderstandings like yours, but there seem to a form of mitteldeutscher identity. And what is called Ostdeutschland ist not just MDR but also RBB and NDR. Take a look at the map: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:ARD_Karte.svg https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:ARD_Karte.svg

rsynnott 2y ago

> It is very ironic that far right extremists organise themself globally The one that’s baffling to me is the Irish far-right movement, which is essentially a satellite movement of the British one (to the point where one of their propaganda rags, “The Irish Light” is literally a localised version of a British one called “The Light”). Given the history between the UK and Ireland, and the general attitude of the British far-right to Ireland, this is all just bizarre. While there are a couple of Ireland-and-Northern-Ireland political parties, the far right is the only truly integrated political movement between Ireland and the UK as a whole. The whole thing is very odd. It’s er, not where you’d normally expect internationalism.