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You don't even have to go that far back. Remember Juul in the 2010s?

radicaldreamer 2y ago
Juul sent representatives to schools who told kids that Juuls weren’t addictive. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping....
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
  > sent representatives to schools This seems like something that should need to be positively justified by the organization which wants to send salespeo^W representatives to schools, in a way that is publicly auditable.
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- burningChrome 2y ago
  I remember a ton of vaping threads extoling the idea vaping was totally safe on Reddit. When people brought up the possible negative side effects of vaping they were routinely downvoted into oblivion. Nobody wanted to believe vaping was dangerous are could have harmful side effects.
  - 325125 2y ago
    What are the harmful side effects if you don't have a preexisting health condition?
    - drekk 2y ago
      Besides a crippling nicotine addiction?
    - carlmr 2y ago
      We don't know yet. But besides the nicotine addiction, there are other components in the vapor which we have no long-term data on, because it's just so new. But we know that there are components in the vapor that are harmful to your health, and nicotine itself is cardiotoxic, so there's that [1]. We do however have studies showing that vaping can be implicated in lung cancer [2]. [1] https://www.moffitt.org/cancers/lung-cancer/faqs/lung-cancer-and-vaping https://www.moffitt.org/cancers/lung-cancer/faqs/lung-cancer... [2] https://www.news-medical.net/news/20240520/Study-reveals-increased-risk-of-lung-cancer-in-e-cigarette-users-after-smoking-cessation.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20240520/Study-reveals-inc...
    - supertofu 2y ago
      I can only answer anecdotally from my personal experience but: frequent coughing while not vaping, chest pain, very obviously reduced cardiovascular capacity and increased fatigue during my workouts.
    - valianteffort 2y ago
      Your body has no mechanism for purging oil residue from your lungs. The frequency at which vape users would be flooding their lungs with those vaporized oils was akin to someone starting out as a pack a day heavy smoker. Tar as I understand it does break down very slowly over time but many smoke at a greater rate than it can be broken down and smoke itself is a worse irritant than oil vapor.

Juul sent representatives to schools who told kids that Juuls weren’t addictive. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/health/juul-teens-vaping....

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 2y ago
> sent representatives to schools This seems like something that should need to be positively justified by the organization which wants to send salespeo^W representatives to schools, in a way that is publicly auditable.
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burningChrome 2y ago
I remember a ton of vaping threads extoling the idea vaping was totally safe on Reddit. When people brought up the possible negative side effects of vaping they were routinely downvoted into oblivion. Nobody wanted to believe vaping was dangerous are could have harmful side effects.
- 325125 2y ago
  What are the harmful side effects if you don't have a preexisting health condition?
  - drekk 2y ago
    Besides a crippling nicotine addiction?
  - carlmr 2y ago
    We don't know yet. But besides the nicotine addiction, there are other components in the vapor which we have no long-term data on, because it's just so new. But we know that there are components in the vapor that are harmful to your health, and nicotine itself is cardiotoxic, so there's that [1]. We do however have studies showing that vaping can be implicated in lung cancer [2]. [1] https://www.moffitt.org/cancers/lung-cancer/faqs/lung-cancer-and-vaping https://www.moffitt.org/cancers/lung-cancer/faqs/lung-cancer... [2] https://www.news-medical.net/news/20240520/Study-reveals-increased-risk-of-lung-cancer-in-e-cigarette-users-after-smoking-cessation.aspx https://www.news-medical.net/news/20240520/Study-reveals-inc...
  - supertofu 2y ago
    I can only answer anecdotally from my personal experience but: frequent coughing while not vaping, chest pain, very obviously reduced cardiovascular capacity and increased fatigue during my workouts.
  - valianteffort 2y ago
    Your body has no mechanism for purging oil residue from your lungs. The frequency at which vape users would be flooding their lungs with those vaporized oils was akin to someone starting out as a pack a day heavy smoker. Tar as I understand it does break down very slowly over time but many smoke at a greater rate than it can be broken down and smoke itself is a worse irritant than oil vapor.