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The thread is here: https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed-bylaws-changes-to-improve-our-membership-experience/55696 https://discuss.pytho

by orf 2y ago

The thread is here: https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed-bylaws-changes-to-improve-our-membership-experience/55696 https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed... The person in question is Tim Peters. It’s weird to not name them, but not linking to the thread is appropriate.

JonChesterfield 2y ago
I skimmed through that looking for the context. It seems to be that Tim didn't want the governing group to have even more power to kick people out of the project, argued his point eloquently and was then kicked off the project. E.g. > Like David too, I’m not opposed to making it impossible for the Board to do this on its own - I just want a higher bar than a simple majority vote. My years on the Board matched David’s experience: votes were usually unanimous. If there’s reasonable disagreement, under most systems of juistice that favors the accused Initial impression to an outsider is that python's council is in the wrong here. Read a fair amount of that thread now and Tim seems pretty reasonable to me. Which does align with my mistrust of CoC structures I suppose.
- orf 2y ago
  This is of course one specific point out of the 10 listed points, and not the sole reason that the ban was implemented.
  - JonChesterfield 2y ago
    That list is all pretty vague. That the tipping point seems to be disagreeing with expanding powers of the council is suspicious.
  - coldtea 2y ago
    >This is of course one specific point out of the 10 listed points One specific point out of several more equally bogus points a person with an actual conscience would have felt shame to bring up as an excuse to suspend someone like Tim.
- a-french-anon 2y ago
  What makes this "discussion" even more suspicious is how the (arguably justified) fear that this could lead to a Nix-style takeover is answered each time with "no problem here, just The Nix Community^tm doing what's right". Of course, your interpretation will vary with your ideology.
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selcuka 2y ago
> The person in question is Tim Peters. For those who don't know, Tim Peters is the inventor of Timsort [1], the built-in sorting algorithm used in Python, Java, JavaScript (V8), and Swift. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timsort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timsort
bitwize 2y ago
> The person in question is Tim Peters. > It’s weird to not name them, but not linking to the thread is appropriate. It looks like they're applying the Met Police standard: even discussing it in specific terms is "an offence" because of the potential for attracting sympathy for the offender.

by orf 2y ago

JonChesterfield 2y ago

I skimmed through that looking for the context. It seems to be that Tim didn't want the governing group to have even more power to kick people out of the project, argued his point eloquently and was then kicked off the project. E.g. > Like David too, I’m not opposed to making it impossible for the Board to do this on its own - I just want a higher bar than a simple majority vote. My years on the Board matched David’s experience: votes were usually unanimous. If there’s reasonable disagreement, under most systems of juistice that favors the accused Initial impression to an outsider is that python's council is in the wrong here. Read a fair amount of that thread now and Tim seems pretty reasonable to me. Which does align with my mistrust of CoC structures I suppose.

orf 2y ago
This is of course one specific point out of the 10 listed points, and not the sole reason that the ban was implemented.
- JonChesterfield 2y ago
  That list is all pretty vague. That the tipping point seems to be disagreeing with expanding powers of the council is suspicious.
- coldtea 2y ago
  >This is of course one specific point out of the 10 listed points One specific point out of several more equally bogus points a person with an actual conscience would have felt shame to bring up as an excuse to suspend someone like Tim.
a-french-anon 2y ago
What makes this "discussion" even more suspicious is how the (arguably justified) fear that this could lead to a Nix-style takeover is answered each time with "no problem here, just The Nix Community^tm doing what's right". Of course, your interpretation will vary with your ideology.
- deleted 2y ago
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selcuka 2y ago

> The person in question is Tim Peters. For those who don't know, Tim Peters is the inventor of Timsort [1], the built-in sorting algorithm used in Python, Java, JavaScript (V8), and Swift. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timsort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timsort

bitwize 2y ago

> The person in question is Tim Peters. > It’s weird to not name them, but not linking to the thread is appropriate. It looks like they're applying the Met Police standard: even discussing it in specific terms is "an offence" because of the potential for attracting sympathy for the offender.