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Tim Peters, author of timsort and longtime Python contributer, is a graybeard spaz like Stallman: https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed-

by saulpw 2y ago

Tim Peters, author of timsort and longtime Python contributer, is a graybeard spaz like Stallman: https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed-bylaws-changes-to-improve-our-membership-experience/55696/150?page=8 https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed... I know this type, they definitely know how to belabor a point, and their language can be "colorful". I read through a bunch of comments, and on a scale from 0 to Terry Davis, Tim seems like a 1 or 2, annoying and crotchety but well-meaning and mild-mannered (Linus would be an 8 on this scale). Suspension is a drastic move, and it's hard both to suspend[0] and to be suspended, so I hope the PSF engaged with him offline first. [0] https://fosstodon.org/@Yhg1s@social.coop/112922140875432669 https://fosstodon.org/@Yhg1s@social.coop/112922140875432669

kjrfghslkdjfl 2y ago
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nusl 2y ago
Somehow using Terry Davis as the top-end of your scale is quite funny, but I suppose accurate.
- cowboylowrez 2y ago
  its not useful, I can't tell what a 1 or a 2 is if I don't know the value of "Terry Davis". 1 or 2 is bad if "Terry Davis" is 3 but we don't know that.
  - saulpw 2y ago
    The top of the scale is always 10.
    - cowboylowrez 2y ago
      TIL! checks multimeter
    - sgerenser 2y ago
      Perhaps that’s the case with YOUR scale, mine goes up to 11.
      - saulpw 2y ago
        Certainly there are people more offensive than Terry Davis, I'll allow that items on this scale could be at 11, maybe even 12. It's just that the top of this scale is 10 :)
stuffoverflow 2y ago
After reading that python discussion I have a very hard time believing the suspension was warranted unless there are some major factors i'm missing. It looks like a relatively cordial discussion yet in the suspension notice his posts are framed as having created "an atmosphere of fear, uncertainty and doubt". I can't believe the offensive word / slur that is mentioned is the word "slut", which was said in reference to a pypi package that was removed back in the day. He even censored the word and made the SNL reference so that people would know what the word was. So according to the suspension notice the following comment was showing lack of empathy to the community members, which is just wild to me: "It was about kicking a package off of PyPI, because its docs repeatedly used a word that Dan Akroyd used to apply to Jane Curtin (brilliant comic actors from America’s “Saturday Night Live” TV show, but back in the days when it was genuinely funny".
- dennis612 2y ago
  Couldn't agree more. Must be politics. The reasons sited for the suspension totally misrepresent the conversation too. It'd be nice to know what's actually going on.
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andrew-ei-grad 2y ago
If there's a justified reason to suspend, and the community genuinely believes it's necessary, then it doesn’t suck — it’s a responsible action. But if there's not enough cause and you're being pressured into such decisions, it's time to stand strong and consider stepping down from the Steering Council and Core team. (Would that be a 9 on your "typing" scale?)

by saulpw 2y ago

kjrfghslkdjfl 2y ago

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nusl 2y ago

Somehow using Terry Davis as the top-end of your scale is quite funny, but I suppose accurate.

cowboylowrez 2y ago
its not useful, I can't tell what a 1 or a 2 is if I don't know the value of "Terry Davis". 1 or 2 is bad if "Terry Davis" is 3 but we don't know that.
- saulpw 2y ago
  The top of the scale is always 10.
  - cowboylowrez 2y ago
    TIL! checks multimeter
  - sgerenser 2y ago
    Perhaps that’s the case with YOUR scale, mine goes up to 11.
    - saulpw 2y ago
      Certainly there are people more offensive than Terry Davis, I'll allow that items on this scale could be at 11, maybe even 12. It's just that the top of this scale is 10 :)

stuffoverflow 2y ago

After reading that python discussion I have a very hard time believing the suspension was warranted unless there are some major factors i'm missing. It looks like a relatively cordial discussion yet in the suspension notice his posts are framed as having created "an atmosphere of fear, uncertainty and doubt". I can't believe the offensive word / slur that is mentioned is the word "slut", which was said in reference to a pypi package that was removed back in the day. He even censored the word and made the SNL reference so that people would know what the word was. So according to the suspension notice the following comment was showing lack of empathy to the community members, which is just wild to me: "It was about kicking a package off of PyPI, because its docs repeatedly used a word that Dan Akroyd used to apply to Jane Curtin (brilliant comic actors from America’s “Saturday Night Live” TV show, but back in the days when it was genuinely funny".

dennis612 2y ago
Couldn't agree more. Must be politics. The reasons sited for the suspension totally misrepresent the conversation too. It'd be nice to know what's actually going on.
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andrew-ei-grad 2y ago

If there's a justified reason to suspend, and the community genuinely believes it's necessary, then it doesn’t suck — it’s a responsible action. But if there's not enough cause and you're being pressured into such decisions, it's time to stand strong and consider stepping down from the Steering Council and Core team. (Would that be a 9 on your "typing" scale?)