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Given the long list of things, as an outsider, it seems like this person was quite disruptive to the community. It doesn't seem like there's a "this one post w

by hungie 2y ago

Given the long list of things, as an outsider, it seems like this person was quite disruptive to the community. It doesn't seem like there's a "this one post was sus", but rather, "we've exhausted other options after repeated violations of our rules across many, many threads." This seems like basic moderation of a community, and good on the mods for applying their rules even to a core developer?

Ukv 2y ago
Reading Tim's posts gives me the exact opposite impression. As far as I can tell, his "defense of "reverse racism"" was simply: > Can’t say I’ve paid it much attention in recent years. Last time I did, “all races can be prejudiced, but only whites can be racist” was the Correct View™. [...] > While it still largely makes good sense to me, I don’t want to see the PSF insisting that any other view can only be held in “bad faith”. Other views are common too. Among people of my age, very common. I can attest from personal experience that some people near my age never even heard of the view the PSF endorses. [0] So, to my understanding, PSF's stance is that only white people can be racist. Tim's supposed offence wasn't even disagreeing with that, but saying that people who don't share that stance aren't acting in bad faith. The slur alluded to was when discussing removal of a PyPI package named "slut". Instead of using the word directly, Tim said: > It was about kicking a package off of PyPI, because its docs repeatedly used a word that Dan Akroyd used to apply to Jane Curtin (brilliant comic actors from America’s “Saturday Night Live” TV show, but back in the days when it was genuinely funny). [1] It all seems exceptionally mild to me. I'm not sure if this is an escalation of purity standards, or those in power wanted him gone for other reasons (like the mentioned questioning of PSF decisions) so twisted anything they could find to match CoC terms. [0]: https://discuss.python.org/t/im-leaving-too/58408/10 https://discuss.python.org/t/im-leaving-too/58408/10 [1]: https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed-bylaws-changes-to-improve-our-membership-experience/55696/150 https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed...
- jakfhg 2y ago
  The wanted him gone because he repeatedly has pointed out double standards. That is to say, the ruling class who verbally and with empty phrases assert their morality are as undiplomatic as the dissenters they prosecute. They are even more rude and certainly more mean, because issuing official sounding invented negative character pictures is far more damaging than a single person occasionally going off on a rant. Python-dev is a now full blown dictatorship, and speaking the truth is not allowed. They are probably also afraid because Google fired the Python team that contained some members of the ruling class, so they double down.
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by hungie 2y ago

Ukv 2y ago

Reading Tim's posts gives me the exact opposite impression. As far as I can tell, his "defense of "reverse racism"" was simply: > Can’t say I’ve paid it much attention in recent years. Last time I did, “all races can be prejudiced, but only whites can be racist” was the Correct View™. [...] > While it still largely makes good sense to me, I don’t want to see the PSF insisting that any other view can only be held in “bad faith”. Other views are common too. Among people of my age, very common. I can attest from personal experience that some people near my age never even heard of the view the PSF endorses. [0] So, to my understanding, PSF's stance is that only white people can be racist. Tim's supposed offence wasn't even disagreeing with that, but saying that people who don't share that stance aren't acting in bad faith. The slur alluded to was when discussing removal of a PyPI package named "slut". Instead of using the word directly, Tim said: > It was about kicking a package off of PyPI, because its docs repeatedly used a word that Dan Akroyd used to apply to Jane Curtin (brilliant comic actors from America’s “Saturday Night Live” TV show, but back in the days when it was genuinely funny). [1] It all seems exceptionally mild to me. I'm not sure if this is an escalation of purity standards, or those in power wanted him gone for other reasons (like the mentioned questioning of PSF decisions) so twisted anything they could find to match CoC terms. [0]: https://discuss.python.org/t/im-leaving-too/58408/10 https://discuss.python.org/t/im-leaving-too/58408/10 [1]: https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed-bylaws-changes-to-improve-our-membership-experience/55696/150 https://discuss.python.org/t/for-your-consideration-proposed...

jakfhg 2y ago
The wanted him gone because he repeatedly has pointed out double standards. That is to say, the ruling class who verbally and with empty phrases assert their morality are as undiplomatic as the dissenters they prosecute. They are even more rude and certainly more mean, because issuing official sounding invented negative character pictures is far more damaging than a single person occasionally going off on a rant. Python-dev is a now full blown dictatorship, and speaking the truth is not allowed. They are probably also afraid because Google fired the Python team that contained some members of the ruling class, so they double down.

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