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That’s not why. It was overpriced and didn’t have a lot of software. Linux distros make changes and they ate Microsoft’s lunch in the server room.

DaSHacka 2y ago
> Linux distros make changes and they ate Microsoft’s lunch in the server room. This statement is a little funny considering the only reason the CrowdStrike situation was such a big deal was because of how many high-profile companies are using Windows Server.
- dlt713705 2y ago
  You wouldn't want to live to see the day when the same situation happens on Linux servers.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Not only it already happened, the world hardly noticed as the systems got affected, given the lack of relevance on the affected systems. https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/21/crowdstrike_linux_crashes_restoration_tools/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/21/crowdstrike_linux_cra...
    - doug713705 2y ago
      Noone noticed because most Linux servers does not run Crowdstrike Falcon. If the same number of Linux servers as Windows servers were affected, most of the Internet would have been down.
    - kortilla 2y ago
      Crowdstrike is not relevant on Linux systems. don’t get it confused. The AWS stats are very clear, Microsoft is way behind in the server world.
      - maxerickson 2y ago
        Crowdstrike literally disrupted Linux systems this year. Are you arguing that it isn't widely deployed enough to be relevant?
- kortilla 2y ago
  Why is that funny? They can lose 75% of their market share and still have millions of deployments.
pjmlp 2y ago
UNIX free beer eats Microsoft licenses on the server room. Which is quite a different point. Naturally Apple's UNIX flavour came with Apple's tax, and not free beer one, as an additional bump, besides the software policies. Also note that the chaos on the desktop from was caused by 1% of the Windows desktop market share. The Year of Desktop Linux with its 2% is nowhere closer to be used in such critical infrastructure.
- kortilla 2y ago
  The price was secondary. The ecosystem for windows was just garbage for web, VM, container, etc stacks. Much like they missed the boat on mobile, they missed the boat on transitioning to cattle from pets. Case in point, Linux ate Microsoft in the university datacenters where Microsoft was literally giving it away for free.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Hardly a case in point, UNIX has always been universities baby, it is thanks to them that it actually had a life outside Bell Labs.
    - surfingdino 2y ago
      Not in Eastern Europe or India where Microsoft was giving away a ton of licenses. The students rejected them anyway.
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        That isn't the information I have from our offshoring partners.
        kortilla 2y ago
        Your offshoring partners are ignorant. There is no equivalent partner representing open source. You’re living in a denial zone where you think something is winning because there is no competitor making more money. The reality is people realized they didn’t need to pay at all and moved on with 10-100x the scale outside of the garden of stupidity.
dagw 2y ago
It was overpriced and didn’t have a lot of software. That's not how I remember it at all. Apple XServers cost about the same as the competition and the XServer RAID was a bargain compared to similar hardware offerings at the time. And although I never used the software, based on the demos I saw from their sales team, it looked really nice and I never heard anybody complain about it. The aversion wasn't price or software, it was just that people didn't really trust Apple support and service.
- kortilla 2y ago
  Wtf are you talking about? If you never used any software that ran on it, you’re completely unqualified to evaluate it.
  - dagw 2y ago
    My point is that I worked at a couple of different places that where considering XServer RAID setups, and as part of that I read everything I could find, attended live presentations of the hardware and talked to people online who where using XServers. And in that process found no reason to write off the hardware of purely software grounds. If you worked extensively with the software and found it a deal breaker, then I'll defer to your experience, but at the time I didn't run into anybody with anything overly bad to say about the software.

DaSHacka 2y ago

> Linux distros make changes and they ate Microsoft’s lunch in the server room. This statement is a little funny considering the only reason the CrowdStrike situation was such a big deal was because of how many high-profile companies are using Windows Server.

dlt713705 2y ago
You wouldn't want to live to see the day when the same situation happens on Linux servers.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Not only it already happened, the world hardly noticed as the systems got affected, given the lack of relevance on the affected systems. https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/21/crowdstrike_linux_crashes_restoration_tools/ https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/21/crowdstrike_linux_cra...
  - doug713705 2y ago
    Noone noticed because most Linux servers does not run Crowdstrike Falcon. If the same number of Linux servers as Windows servers were affected, most of the Internet would have been down.
  - kortilla 2y ago
    Crowdstrike is not relevant on Linux systems. don’t get it confused. The AWS stats are very clear, Microsoft is way behind in the server world.
    - maxerickson 2y ago
      Crowdstrike literally disrupted Linux systems this year. Are you arguing that it isn't widely deployed enough to be relevant?
kortilla 2y ago
Why is that funny? They can lose 75% of their market share and still have millions of deployments.

pjmlp 2y ago

UNIX free beer eats Microsoft licenses on the server room. Which is quite a different point. Naturally Apple's UNIX flavour came with Apple's tax, and not free beer one, as an additional bump, besides the software policies. Also note that the chaos on the desktop from was caused by 1% of the Windows desktop market share. The Year of Desktop Linux with its 2% is nowhere closer to be used in such critical infrastructure.

kortilla 2y ago
The price was secondary. The ecosystem for windows was just garbage for web, VM, container, etc stacks. Much like they missed the boat on mobile, they missed the boat on transitioning to cattle from pets. Case in point, Linux ate Microsoft in the university datacenters where Microsoft was literally giving it away for free.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Hardly a case in point, UNIX has always been universities baby, it is thanks to them that it actually had a life outside Bell Labs.
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    Not in Eastern Europe or India where Microsoft was giving away a ton of licenses. The students rejected them anyway.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      That isn't the information I have from our offshoring partners.
      - kortilla 2y ago
        Your offshoring partners are ignorant. There is no equivalent partner representing open source. You’re living in a denial zone where you think something is winning because there is no competitor making more money. The reality is people realized they didn’t need to pay at all and moved on with 10-100x the scale outside of the garden of stupidity.

dagw 2y ago

It was overpriced and didn’t have a lot of software. That's not how I remember it at all. Apple XServers cost about the same as the competition and the XServer RAID was a bargain compared to similar hardware offerings at the time. And although I never used the software, based on the demos I saw from their sales team, it looked really nice and I never heard anybody complain about it. The aversion wasn't price or software, it was just that people didn't really trust Apple support and service.

kortilla 2y ago
Wtf are you talking about? If you never used any software that ran on it, you’re completely unqualified to evaluate it.
- dagw 2y ago
  My point is that I worked at a couple of different places that where considering XServer RAID setups, and as part of that I read everything I could find, attended live presentations of the hardware and talked to people online who where using XServers. And in that process found no reason to write off the hardware of purely software grounds. If you worked extensively with the software and found it a deal breaker, then I'll defer to your experience, but at the time I didn't run into anybody with anything overly bad to say about the software.