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It is not an issue to me if <bad human> lives longer, if I get to enjoy more time with my loved ones, watch humanity build Dyson spheres, explore the galaxy, et

It is not an issue to me if <bad human> lives longer, if I get to enjoy more time with my loved ones, watch humanity build Dyson spheres, explore the galaxy, etc. Bad humans then become social issues - and those, we can solve.

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forgetfreeman 2y ago
Name one social issue our species has comprehensively solved in the last century.
- zo1 2y ago
  We haven't. Even simple ones like poverty, hunger, homelessness that are just a matter of admin and money. We've been captured by self-perpetuating and effectively immortal institutions (NGO's and arguably governments) that will not let us solve them because that would mean their own death.
  - xvector 2y ago
    Sounds like dying isn't very effective at solving social issues either, then, so the argument that it helps is somewhat moot.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    I agree with the spirit of your argument but maybe not the villains you've chosen. Given legislative capture is absolutely a thing I think your criticism is more effectively pointed at the individuals and organizations responsible for funding reelection campaigns for the politicians that aren't obviously servicing the needs of their notional constituency.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Comprehensive, as in extensively but not necessarily totally? And why as a species rather than as countries, given we don't have a single world government? Equality issues still exist, but compared to 1924? Is literacy is a social issue or not? 31% to 87%. Is extreme poverty? 54% of about 2 billion, now 10% of about 8 billion, reduced in absolute numbers and not just as a percentage.
jajko 2y ago
You live in society, not alone on far side of the moon. In any society including worst communism terror Earth has seen, the worst and most potent humans bubble up to the top, always, without exception. No mechamism to wipe this clean means absolute dictatorship with no end in sight, you always see it even in democracies, strong persons tend to bend rules as they like and the only stopping power is re-election force, or you end up eith some form of forever putin. Death brings correction, even if individually of course it sucks pretty badly. Even for just avoiding endless dictatures its necessary.
- stale2002 2y ago
  > Death brings correction, even if individually of course it sucks pretty badly. There is no real correction though. Because for every person who you think that you helped, you should know that those people are going to eventually die anyway, meaning that it was all for naught.
- _w1tm 2y ago
  I think you are mixing up concepts. Curing mortality doesn’t mean it’s impossible to be killed. Authoritarian regimes don’t end because the dictator gets old and dies, they end because the people rise up against the oppressive government. If mortality was the liberator you imagine it to be then North Korea would already be rid of their nightmare.

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forgetfreeman 2y ago

Name one social issue our species has comprehensively solved in the last century.

zo1 2y ago
We haven't. Even simple ones like poverty, hunger, homelessness that are just a matter of admin and money. We've been captured by self-perpetuating and effectively immortal institutions (NGO's and arguably governments) that will not let us solve them because that would mean their own death.
- xvector 2y ago
  Sounds like dying isn't very effective at solving social issues either, then, so the argument that it helps is somewhat moot.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  I agree with the spirit of your argument but maybe not the villains you've chosen. Given legislative capture is absolutely a thing I think your criticism is more effectively pointed at the individuals and organizations responsible for funding reelection campaigns for the politicians that aren't obviously servicing the needs of their notional constituency.
ben_w 2y ago
Comprehensive, as in extensively but not necessarily totally? And why as a species rather than as countries, given we don't have a single world government? Equality issues still exist, but compared to 1924? Is literacy is a social issue or not? 31% to 87%. Is extreme poverty? 54% of about 2 billion, now 10% of about 8 billion, reduced in absolute numbers and not just as a percentage.

jajko 2y ago

You live in society, not alone on far side of the moon. In any society including worst communism terror Earth has seen, the worst and most potent humans bubble up to the top, always, without exception. No mechamism to wipe this clean means absolute dictatorship with no end in sight, you always see it even in democracies, strong persons tend to bend rules as they like and the only stopping power is re-election force, or you end up eith some form of forever putin. Death brings correction, even if individually of course it sucks pretty badly. Even for just avoiding endless dictatures its necessary.

stale2002 2y ago
> Death brings correction, even if individually of course it sucks pretty badly. There is no real correction though. Because for every person who you think that you helped, you should know that those people are going to eventually die anyway, meaning that it was all for naught.
_w1tm 2y ago
I think you are mixing up concepts. Curing mortality doesn’t mean it’s impossible to be killed. Authoritarian regimes don’t end because the dictator gets old and dies, they end because the people rise up against the oppressive government. If mortality was the liberator you imagine it to be then North Korea would already be rid of their nightmare.