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> we lost Firefox I agree, and am looking for other alternatives, that aren't chromium based; but not finding any modern browsers that fit that bill. So I stil

> we lost Firefox I agree, and am looking for other alternatives, that aren't chromium based; but not finding any modern browsers that fit that bill. So I still use Firefox. Any recommendations?

dtx1 2y ago
There's nothing left. That Ladybird Browser[0] is the biggest name in the game outside of Firefox and Chromium but it's pre-alpha and if they don't switch to a memory safe language there's no point to it. That leaves you with Firefox and chromium derivatives, either LibreWolf if you want something Firefox based or Brave if you chose to get assimilated. Both have their issues: LibreWolf, like Firefox, lacks about a decade in security enhancements chromium implemented and Brave with their cryptoshit and questionable calling home behaviour hasn't been particularly trustworthy. Welcome to the brave new world. [0] https://ladybird.org/ https://ladybird.org/
- _jackdk_ 2y ago
  From the FAQ at the bottom of https://ladybird.org/ https://ladybird.org/ : > Why build a new browser in C++ when safer and more modern languages are available? > Ladybird started as a component of the SerenityOS hobby project, which only allows C++. The choice of language was not so much a technical decision, but more one of personal convenience. Andreas was most comfortable with C++ when creating SerenityOS, and now we have almost half a million lines of modern C++ to maintain. > However, now that Ladybird has forked and become its own independent project, all constraints previously imposed by SerenityOS are no longer in effect. We are actively evaluating a number of alternatives and will be adding a mature successor language to the project in the near future. This process is already quite far along, and prototypes exist in multiple languages.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  > That Ladybird Browser[0] is the biggest name in the game outside of Firefox and Chromium but it's pre-alpha and if they don't switch to a memory safe language there's no point to it. There's WebKit, which shares lineage with Blink (Chromium) but is separate.
mediumsmart 2y ago
Only for macOS. Orion a zero telemetry browser. https://kagi.com/orion/ https://kagi.com/orion/

> we lost Firefox I agree, and am looking for other alternatives, that aren't chromium based; but not finding any modern browsers that fit that bill. So I still use Firefox. Any recommendations?

dtx1 2y ago

There's nothing left. That Ladybird Browser[0] is the biggest name in the game outside of Firefox and Chromium but it's pre-alpha and if they don't switch to a memory safe language there's no point to it. That leaves you with Firefox and chromium derivatives, either LibreWolf if you want something Firefox based or Brave if you chose to get assimilated. Both have their issues: LibreWolf, like Firefox, lacks about a decade in security enhancements chromium implemented and Brave with their cryptoshit and questionable calling home behaviour hasn't been particularly trustworthy. Welcome to the brave new world. [0] https://ladybird.org/ https://ladybird.org/

_jackdk_ 2y ago
From the FAQ at the bottom of https://ladybird.org/ https://ladybird.org/ : > Why build a new browser in C++ when safer and more modern languages are available? > Ladybird started as a component of the SerenityOS hobby project, which only allows C++. The choice of language was not so much a technical decision, but more one of personal convenience. Andreas was most comfortable with C++ when creating SerenityOS, and now we have almost half a million lines of modern C++ to maintain. > However, now that Ladybird has forked and become its own independent project, all constraints previously imposed by SerenityOS are no longer in effect. We are actively evaluating a number of alternatives and will be adding a mature successor language to the project in the near future. This process is already quite far along, and prototypes exist in multiple languages.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> That Ladybird Browser[0] is the biggest name in the game outside of Firefox and Chromium but it's pre-alpha and if they don't switch to a memory safe language there's no point to it. There's WebKit, which shares lineage with Blink (Chromium) but is separate.

mediumsmart 2y ago

Only for macOS. Orion a zero telemetry browser. https://kagi.com/orion/ https://kagi.com/orion/