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Why on earth would you ever do that. And by "that" I mean every step. 1. Send your DNA to a for-profit company. 2. Upload the DNA results to yet another for-pro

by Carrok 2y ago

Why on earth would you ever do that. And by "that" I mean every step. 1. Send your DNA to a for-profit company. 2. Upload the DNA results to yet another for-profit company. 3. Consider then giving law enforcement access to said DNA results. Each and every step you've outlined is utterly insane to me.

cdshn 2y ago
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mingus88 2y ago
Say what you will, but these companies provide a service that many people are willing to pay for. And just like social media, it doesn’t matter if you refuse to play. All it takes is any of your friends to allow them to scrape their address book and bingo, you are now a part of the social graph, like it or not. Law enforcement doesn’t need your DNA. They just need the DNA of anyone related to you, which according to this article can include any one of thousands of people. Privacy is truly dead.
ProllyInfamous 2y ago
>Each and every step you've outlined is utterly insane to me. Absolutely agreed; however, all it takes it that one "doesn't care why should you?!" -brother / genetic relative... to get your partial genetic information into the hands of profiteering geneticists / admen. The fuck?! Why, dearest brother James..?
snakeyjake 2y ago
I uploaded my DNA results to GEDmatch and a couple other places for the explicit purpose of giving both researchers and law enforcement access to them. Of course, I live in the real world and not a delusional paranoiac realm of fearmongering so I realize that the tangible realizable benefits far outweigh any, even hypothetical, risks.
- Carrok 2y ago
  Please elaborate on these tangible realizable benefits. I honestly can see none. As far as risks, literally being falsely imprisoned or executed is an actual, real world risk, that people have actually experienced. https://daily.jstor.org/forensic-dna-evidence-can-lead-wrongful-convictions/ https://daily.jstor.org/forensic-dna-evidence-can-lead-wrong...
  - snakeyjake 2y ago
    Researchers are today, right now, this very second downloading genetic information from those databases and using it to understand and develop cures for diseases. The vast libraries of information, coupled with health and demographic data, are changing the way science is done. There is also a chance, however small, that a genealogical genetic match to me will lead to one of my trashy drug-addicted relatives going to jail for rape. >literally being falsely imprisoned or executed is an actual, real world risk, that people have actually experienced The article you yourself linked to, which I read every word of, contains no examples of people "literally being falsely imprisoned or executed". Eyewitness testimony can lead to false imprisonment-- is the solution to ban eyewitness testimony? Finding a suspect's fingerprint at a scene can lead to false imprisonment-- is the solution to ban fingerprints? DNA evidence is only a single link in a long chain and has all of the benefits and drawbacks of fingerprints, eyewitness testimony, and all other forms of evidence. It is no different, despite what crime shows might have you think. Every time you're feeling stressed out about the jackbooted gubmint thugz locking you up if they find your DNA somewhere just repeat to yourself "it's the exact same thing as them finding a fingerprint or CCTV still, just newer". "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury we found the suspect's fingerprints and DNA at the scene, have a CCTV image of him buying the hammer that has his fingerprints and DNA on it, and have three eyewitnesses who saw him enter the scene of the crime right before the murder" "Throw it all out, it's a conspiracy, a violation of the defendant's rights. That's all faulty evidence fraught with peril and allowing it will destroy democracy and freedom as we know it."
    - Carrok 2y ago
      > Every time you're feeling stressed out about the jackbooted gubmint thugz You sure are putting a whole lot of words in my mouth. I’m going to assume you are no longer engaging in good faith. Enjoy your impending future data leak.

by Carrok 2y ago

cdshn 2y ago

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mingus88 2y ago

Say what you will, but these companies provide a service that many people are willing to pay for. And just like social media, it doesn’t matter if you refuse to play. All it takes is any of your friends to allow them to scrape their address book and bingo, you are now a part of the social graph, like it or not. Law enforcement doesn’t need your DNA. They just need the DNA of anyone related to you, which according to this article can include any one of thousands of people. Privacy is truly dead.

ProllyInfamous 2y ago

>Each and every step you've outlined is utterly insane to me. Absolutely agreed; however, all it takes it that one "doesn't care why should you?!" -brother / genetic relative... to get your partial genetic information into the hands of profiteering geneticists / admen. The fuck?! Why, dearest brother James..?

snakeyjake 2y ago

I uploaded my DNA results to GEDmatch and a couple other places for the explicit purpose of giving both researchers and law enforcement access to them. Of course, I live in the real world and not a delusional paranoiac realm of fearmongering so I realize that the tangible realizable benefits far outweigh any, even hypothetical, risks.

Carrok 2y ago
Please elaborate on these tangible realizable benefits. I honestly can see none. As far as risks, literally being falsely imprisoned or executed is an actual, real world risk, that people have actually experienced. https://daily.jstor.org/forensic-dna-evidence-can-lead-wrongful-convictions/ https://daily.jstor.org/forensic-dna-evidence-can-lead-wrong...
- snakeyjake 2y ago
  Researchers are today, right now, this very second downloading genetic information from those databases and using it to understand and develop cures for diseases. The vast libraries of information, coupled with health and demographic data, are changing the way science is done. There is also a chance, however small, that a genealogical genetic match to me will lead to one of my trashy drug-addicted relatives going to jail for rape. >literally being falsely imprisoned or executed is an actual, real world risk, that people have actually experienced The article you yourself linked to, which I read every word of, contains no examples of people "literally being falsely imprisoned or executed". Eyewitness testimony can lead to false imprisonment-- is the solution to ban eyewitness testimony? Finding a suspect's fingerprint at a scene can lead to false imprisonment-- is the solution to ban fingerprints? DNA evidence is only a single link in a long chain and has all of the benefits and drawbacks of fingerprints, eyewitness testimony, and all other forms of evidence. It is no different, despite what crime shows might have you think. Every time you're feeling stressed out about the jackbooted gubmint thugz locking you up if they find your DNA somewhere just repeat to yourself "it's the exact same thing as them finding a fingerprint or CCTV still, just newer". "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury we found the suspect's fingerprints and DNA at the scene, have a CCTV image of him buying the hammer that has his fingerprints and DNA on it, and have three eyewitnesses who saw him enter the scene of the crime right before the murder" "Throw it all out, it's a conspiracy, a violation of the defendant's rights. That's all faulty evidence fraught with peril and allowing it will destroy democracy and freedom as we know it."
  - Carrok 2y ago
    > Every time you're feeling stressed out about the jackbooted gubmint thugz You sure are putting a whole lot of words in my mouth. I’m going to assume you are no longer engaging in good faith. Enjoy your impending future data leak.