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>They could release an update that allows later updates to bypass Little Snitch Or the ability could be there already without us knowing. But fortunately we c

>They could release an update that allows later updates to bypass Little Snitch Or the ability could be there already without us knowing. But fortunately we can still run our own routers/switches and see outgoing traffic. If you configure LS to block everything then you could confirm it with your network gear.

lapcat 2y ago
> Or the ability could be there already without us knowing. An empirically baseless conspiracy theory. > But fortunately we can still run our own routers/switches and see outgoing traffic. If you configure LS to block everything then you could confirm it with your network gear. That was my point. Apple isn't actually capable of completely avoiding detection. Anyway, just as I don't trust Apple absolutely, I don't distrust Apple absolutely either. They do some user-hostile things, which are richly deserving of criticism, but I prefer to engage with facts and evidence rather than idle speculation and paranoia.
- 1over137 2y ago
  >An empirically baseless conspiracy theory. You misunderstand I think. I don't think it's likely. It would be easy to catch them. I also don't distrust Apple completely. I was (pedantically) replying to your comment that "They can't push software to my computer, because I've blocked the software update mechanism with Little Snitch". "Can't" is too strong. They could is what I'm saying, as in, they have the ability/possibility to do so. They can't time travel, because that's impossible. But they can establish network connections, because they control the firmware and kernel, which exceeds your control via Little Snitch.
  - lapcat 2y ago
    > I was (pedantically) replying to your comment Please don't be a pedant. It's not appreciated, and it only makes the conversation worse.
threeseed 2y ago
> But fortunately we can still run our own routers/switches and see outgoing traffic. Which is useless if they simply encrypt the data before sending it over SSL. Then you will never know what they are sending to their servers.
- 1over137 2y ago
  >Which is useless if they simply encrypt the data before sending it over SSL. Not entirely useless, you'd still know they were sending something and it would be proof they could bypass Little Snitch.

lapcat 2y ago

> Or the ability could be there already without us knowing. An empirically baseless conspiracy theory. > But fortunately we can still run our own routers/switches and see outgoing traffic. If you configure LS to block everything then you could confirm it with your network gear. That was my point. Apple isn't actually capable of completely avoiding detection. Anyway, just as I don't trust Apple absolutely, I don't distrust Apple absolutely either. They do some user-hostile things, which are richly deserving of criticism, but I prefer to engage with facts and evidence rather than idle speculation and paranoia.

1over137 2y ago
>An empirically baseless conspiracy theory. You misunderstand I think. I don't think it's likely. It would be easy to catch them. I also don't distrust Apple completely. I was (pedantically) replying to your comment that "They can't push software to my computer, because I've blocked the software update mechanism with Little Snitch". "Can't" is too strong. They could is what I'm saying, as in, they have the ability/possibility to do so. They can't time travel, because that's impossible. But they can establish network connections, because they control the firmware and kernel, which exceeds your control via Little Snitch.
- lapcat 2y ago
  > I was (pedantically) replying to your comment Please don't be a pedant. It's not appreciated, and it only makes the conversation worse.

threeseed 2y ago

> But fortunately we can still run our own routers/switches and see outgoing traffic. Which is useless if they simply encrypt the data before sending it over SSL. Then you will never know what they are sending to their servers.

1over137 2y ago
>Which is useless if they simply encrypt the data before sending it over SSL. Not entirely useless, you'd still know they were sending something and it would be proof they could bypass Little Snitch.