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I Reviewed Restaurants for 12 Years. They've Changed, and Not for the Better

34 points by mikhael 2y ago

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gnabgib 2y ago
Related After 12 years of reviewing restaurants, I'm leaving the table (147 points, 22 days ago, 176 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40979539 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40979539
Xen9 2y ago
One of my hobbies is to dress semi-formal, go to a restaurant, and put a brown leather notebook & fountain pen on the table while ordering slightly eccentrically and following etiquette to point. I then take notes on the food before the next dish arrives, letting them see that. This seems to increase quality of service.
- m463 2y ago
  A friend of mine worked at a restaurant when he was younger. He said carrying a food thermometer got you quick excellent service with hot food.
- ofcourseyoudo 2y ago
  I bet that works great until they happen to see your notebook and it just has "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" written it over and over
  - dehugger 2y ago
    Luckily that problem is easily solved by... actually writing about the food.
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batiudrami 2y ago
A friend who worked in hospo told me “the two most important waits for customer service are the time between someone walking in the door and them having a drink in their hand, and the time between deciding they want to leave and being out the door. Keep those short and they won’t remember anything else”. At Australian restaurants you simply pay at the counter on the way out, and I prefer it by far. The faff around with asking for the cheque, doing the tiny paperwork and waiting for your card to be returned seems like a small inconvenience but it is irritating when you want to go. I don’t think another app that takes a cut of the restaurants earnings is what I want for solving this, though.
- diogenescynic 2y ago
  Funny enough that's how it used to be at restaurants in the 90s in the US. I remember most of the time we'd eat out the server would drop the check off on our table, but then my parents would walk to the counter and pay. It was easier for everyone. I am honestly not sure when this stopped being as common or why... It might even just be that there's not enough real estate space to accommodate it.
  - ssl-3 2y ago
    A lot of places where I go here (Ohio) are still that way. Just tonight, I stopped in at a fairly new little Mexican hole in the wall for dinner. When I was finished, I just walked up to the register by the front door and paid my bill. (See also: Waffle House.)
  - withinboredom 2y ago
    Commas are important. Please don’t eat out your server.
- halper 2y ago
  Why is paying a multi-step process? Back in the day you would wave, get the bill, get your wallet out, round up a bit and walk out after putting cash on the tray. Now with cards, why is the payment terminal not brought over at once? Do most people really check their receipts carefully? I often also do an Australian: I simply walk up to the bar or whatever and ask to pay. If I know I am not having anything beside the main, I often simply ask to pay when they serve me.
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aestetix 2y ago
Sounds like an American issue. In Germany (at least in Berlin), things still operate largely as they did 30 years ago. I wonder how much of this is the Bay Area automation cancer bleeding out into other areas in the US. I hope the market corrects itself and it does not invade other countries.
- franga2000 2y ago
  Dumb American solutions to dumb American problems have already started invading my corner of Europe. Adyen card terminals, which I otherwise quite like, come with a tip selection screen by default and most places don't turn it off. It turns a normal "you did your job and brought me a drink, I'll do my job and pay the price on the menu" interaction, where nobody even thought about tips, into "I have decided you don't deserve a bit of extra change and you will watch me press the NO button". It's such a clear dark pattern, they could've just let you press the +10% button or pay immediately, but no, you have to press the zero tip button for the NFC coil to activate. </UnrelatedRant>
  - withinboredom 2y ago
    I just happily press no. The reason it is there is because Americans insist on tipping, even if it is impossible. They will leave cash on the table if they can’t do it on the card. Source: ex-American and travelled with Americans

34 points by mikhael 2y ago

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Related After 12 years of reviewing restaurants, I'm leaving the table (147 points, 22 days ago, 176 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40979539 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40979539

Xen9 2y ago

One of my hobbies is to dress semi-formal, go to a restaurant, and put a brown leather notebook & fountain pen on the table while ordering slightly eccentrically and following etiquette to point. I then take notes on the food before the next dish arrives, letting them see that. This seems to increase quality of service.

m463 2y ago
A friend of mine worked at a restaurant when he was younger. He said carrying a food thermometer got you quick excellent service with hot food.
ofcourseyoudo 2y ago
I bet that works great until they happen to see your notebook and it just has "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" written it over and over
- dehugger 2y ago
  Luckily that problem is easily solved by... actually writing about the food.

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batiudrami 2y ago

A friend who worked in hospo told me “the two most important waits for customer service are the time between someone walking in the door and them having a drink in their hand, and the time between deciding they want to leave and being out the door. Keep those short and they won’t remember anything else”. At Australian restaurants you simply pay at the counter on the way out, and I prefer it by far. The faff around with asking for the cheque, doing the tiny paperwork and waiting for your card to be returned seems like a small inconvenience but it is irritating when you want to go. I don’t think another app that takes a cut of the restaurants earnings is what I want for solving this, though.

diogenescynic 2y ago
Funny enough that's how it used to be at restaurants in the 90s in the US. I remember most of the time we'd eat out the server would drop the check off on our table, but then my parents would walk to the counter and pay. It was easier for everyone. I am honestly not sure when this stopped being as common or why... It might even just be that there's not enough real estate space to accommodate it.
- ssl-3 2y ago
  A lot of places where I go here (Ohio) are still that way. Just tonight, I stopped in at a fairly new little Mexican hole in the wall for dinner. When I was finished, I just walked up to the register by the front door and paid my bill. (See also: Waffle House.)
- withinboredom 2y ago
  Commas are important. Please don’t eat out your server.
halper 2y ago
Why is paying a multi-step process? Back in the day you would wave, get the bill, get your wallet out, round up a bit and walk out after putting cash on the tray. Now with cards, why is the payment terminal not brought over at once? Do most people really check their receipts carefully? I often also do an Australian: I simply walk up to the bar or whatever and ask to pay. If I know I am not having anything beside the main, I often simply ask to pay when they serve me.

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aestetix 2y ago

Sounds like an American issue. In Germany (at least in Berlin), things still operate largely as they did 30 years ago. I wonder how much of this is the Bay Area automation cancer bleeding out into other areas in the US. I hope the market corrects itself and it does not invade other countries.

franga2000 2y ago
Dumb American solutions to dumb American problems have already started invading my corner of Europe. Adyen card terminals, which I otherwise quite like, come with a tip selection screen by default and most places don't turn it off. It turns a normal "you did your job and brought me a drink, I'll do my job and pay the price on the menu" interaction, where nobody even thought about tips, into "I have decided you don't deserve a bit of extra change and you will watch me press the NO button". It's such a clear dark pattern, they could've just let you press the +10% button or pay immediately, but no, you have to press the zero tip button for the NFC coil to activate. </UnrelatedRant>
- withinboredom 2y ago
  I just happily press no. The reason it is there is because Americans insist on tipping, even if it is impossible. They will leave cash on the table if they can’t do it on the card. Source: ex-American and travelled with Americans