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or, you just accept that different countries use different names for other countries. Nobody calls Germany "Deutschland" outside of Germany (okay, outside of G

or, you just accept that different countries use different names for other countries. Nobody calls Germany "Deutschland" outside of Germany (okay, outside of German-speaking countries) Nobody calls Japan "Nihon" except people in Japan Nobody calls Finland "Suomi" except people living there ...and the same goes for cities. People probably still call it Turkey because they know how to pronounce it. Both the "ü" and the "iy" are very uncommon (and thus hard to pronounce) sounds for most of the world.

thih9 2y ago
Or you just accept that country names in English can change - and Turkey / Türkiye would not be the first to do so. > Both the "ü" and the "iy" are very uncommon (and thus hard to pronounce) sounds for most of the world. Then what about Liechtenstein? Kyrgyzstan? Côte d’Ivoire? Colombia-not-columbia? The list goes on.
- dark-star 2y ago
  But that's the point: the name hasn't actually changed. It has always been called "Türkiye" by the people living there. What has changed is that they now want everyone else to call them by that name... > Côte d’Ivoire Nobody except french speaking countries call it that. It's called "Ivory Coast" in English, for example
  - thih9 2y ago
    Yes, they want that; why not do that then? Like with Czechia[1], Sri Lanka, the Netherlands and others? Côte d’Ivoire is indeed also known as "Ivory Coast"; still, you can write a sentence in English with "Côte d’Ivoire" and it doesn't raise an eyebrow[2]. If that's not enough, there's Curaçao too. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_Czech_Republic#Adoption_of_Czechia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_Czech_Republic#Ado... [2]: https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/cote-divoire https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/cote-divoire
    - chucksta 2y ago
      A substantial part of the US population isn't going to know where the Ivory coast is, even less so if you call it Côte d’Ivoire, or why you're saying it in French.
      - thih9 2y ago
        Would they be better with a different country though? To be fair, a substantial part of the US population couldn’t point Iran or Ukraine[1] on the map. [1]: https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2022/02/08151807/220208_Ukraine-Placement-Map_v2.png https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2022/02/0815180...
        chucksta 2y ago
        No they wouldn't. So why would you make it even harder for them by addressing it in a name/language other then the primary target audience
        thih9 2y ago
        Maybe because we call another country Greece and not Grease? I could do more food puns but I’m already getting Hungary.
- actionfromafar 2y ago
  You mean the Ivory Coast?
ekkodur 2y ago
Nobody uses Germany for insulting Nobody uses Japan for insulting Nobody uses Finland for insulting People pronounces harder country names(like Liechtenstein,Guinea-Bissau, Djibouti...) easily, I don't think it will be difficult to say Turkiye. You can pronounce it like "Turquia" which is acceptable. Here's how to pronunce better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfFZK6b2jtI&t=21s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfFZK6b2jtI&t=21s

thih9 2y ago

Or you just accept that country names in English can change - and Turkey / Türkiye would not be the first to do so. > Both the "ü" and the "iy" are very uncommon (and thus hard to pronounce) sounds for most of the world. Then what about Liechtenstein? Kyrgyzstan? Côte d’Ivoire? Colombia-not-columbia? The list goes on.

dark-star 2y ago
But that's the point: the name hasn't actually changed. It has always been called "Türkiye" by the people living there. What has changed is that they now want everyone else to call them by that name... > Côte d’Ivoire Nobody except french speaking countries call it that. It's called "Ivory Coast" in English, for example
- thih9 2y ago
  Yes, they want that; why not do that then? Like with Czechia[1], Sri Lanka, the Netherlands and others? Côte d’Ivoire is indeed also known as "Ivory Coast"; still, you can write a sentence in English with "Côte d’Ivoire" and it doesn't raise an eyebrow[2]. If that's not enough, there's Curaçao too. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_Czech_Republic#Adoption_of_Czechia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_Czech_Republic#Ado... [2]: https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/cote-divoire https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/cote-divoire
  - chucksta 2y ago
    A substantial part of the US population isn't going to know where the Ivory coast is, even less so if you call it Côte d’Ivoire, or why you're saying it in French.
    - thih9 2y ago
      Would they be better with a different country though? To be fair, a substantial part of the US population couldn’t point Iran or Ukraine[1] on the map. [1]: https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2022/02/08151807/220208_Ukraine-Placement-Map_v2.png https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2022/02/0815180...
      - chucksta 2y ago
        No they wouldn't. So why would you make it even harder for them by addressing it in a name/language other then the primary target audience
        thih9 2y ago
        Maybe because we call another country Greece and not Grease? I could do more food puns but I’m already getting Hungary.
actionfromafar 2y ago
You mean the Ivory Coast?

ekkodur 2y ago

Nobody uses Germany for insulting Nobody uses Japan for insulting Nobody uses Finland for insulting People pronounces harder country names(like Liechtenstein,Guinea-Bissau, Djibouti...) easily, I don't think it will be difficult to say Turkiye. You can pronounce it like "Turquia" which is acceptable. Here's how to pronunce better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfFZK6b2jtI&t=21s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfFZK6b2jtI&t=21s