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This is how they've always won. In 1978 after the oil crisis Carter was already talking about getting off of foreign oil, we should develop renewable energy re

This is how they've always won. In 1978 after the oil crisis Carter was already talking about getting off of foreign oil, we should develop renewable energy resources, be energy independent. Imagine where we'd be had we done even a few of the things he suggested? Instead, the big oil companies, their lobbyists and OPEC made sure there would be abundance of cheap oil and then everybody just moved on and forgot about the long lines waiting for gas, rationing and other horrible stuff the oil crisis brought. Not much has changed over the past 45 years which is pretty depressing.

mminer237 2y ago
Uh, ironically, the recently-overturned Chevron was at the time a big win for Chevron, the oil company, because SCOTUS required courts to defer to President Reagan's EPA which interpreted the Clean Air Act very generously in the oil companies' favor even though the courts ruled Congress intended stricter regulations. Now everyone is decrying Loper saying the EPA should be given nigh-unlimited authority since they agree with its policies under Administrator Regan. People support empowering whichever branch of government agrees with their politics at the moment. Things have just completely flipped in the last 40 years.
- gunapologist99 2y ago
  Well, also what happened in the last 40 years was that the administrative state exploded in size. And, now, for every new law that Congress passes, unelected bureaucrats in federal agencies create TWENTY-SEVEN new laws. https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2017/08/15/how-many-rules-and-regulations-do-federal-agencies-issue/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2017/08/15/how-many-... And the size of the federal government has become simply immense, even discounting the size of the world's largest military. It's by far the world's largest employer in terms of monetary spend. So, overturning Chevron was just a tiny step toward curbing the massive power that government agencies have over the citizens that they purport to serve.
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    Its worth mentioning that congress passed only 27 laws in 2023. You can read them all here, many were for trivial things like commemorative coins or digital duck hunting licences: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/bills-laws-2023-house-congress.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/bills-laws-20... Delegating is how things get done, surely you wouldn't like the individual details of every single thing you do at work to decided by the C-Suite.
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      If someone comes into my computer and tries to take away all my digital duck hunting trophies I keep on my desktop, I'll be loading up Counterstrike and defending my home.

mminer237 2y ago

Uh, ironically, the recently-overturned Chevron was at the time a big win for Chevron, the oil company, because SCOTUS required courts to defer to President Reagan's EPA which interpreted the Clean Air Act very generously in the oil companies' favor even though the courts ruled Congress intended stricter regulations. Now everyone is decrying Loper saying the EPA should be given nigh-unlimited authority since they agree with its policies under Administrator Regan. People support empowering whichever branch of government agrees with their politics at the moment. Things have just completely flipped in the last 40 years.

gunapologist99 2y ago
Well, also what happened in the last 40 years was that the administrative state exploded in size. And, now, for every new law that Congress passes, unelected bureaucrats in federal agencies create TWENTY-SEVEN new laws. https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2017/08/15/how-many-rules-and-regulations-do-federal-agencies-issue/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/waynecrews/2017/08/15/how-many-... And the size of the federal government has become simply immense, even discounting the size of the world's largest military. It's by far the world's largest employer in terms of monetary spend. So, overturning Chevron was just a tiny step toward curbing the massive power that government agencies have over the citizens that they purport to serve.
- spencerflem 2y ago
  Its worth mentioning that congress passed only 27 laws in 2023. You can read them all here, many were for trivial things like commemorative coins or digital duck hunting licences: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/bills-laws-2023-house-congress.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/bills-laws-20... Delegating is how things get done, surely you wouldn't like the individual details of every single thing you do at work to decided by the C-Suite.
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    If someone comes into my computer and tries to take away all my digital duck hunting trophies I keep on my desktop, I'll be loading up Counterstrike and defending my home.