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The problem is that, in adult humans, cartilage does not have an inherent ability to heal. In my experience, this is not true. Though I certainly understand wh

The problem is that, in adult humans, cartilage does not have an inherent ability to heal. In my experience, this is not true. Though I certainly understand why it is believed to be true. We think our treatment could help address a serious, unmet clinical need. This is likely true. Living right is harder than taking a pill or scheduling surgery and currently people don't know how to foster natural healing of cartilage, so there's no doubt a market for this and always will be. A lot of people want the quick and "easy" answer, thus the popularity of liposuction.

warkdarrior 2y ago
What is the technique to foster natural healing of cartilage? Any published studies on its success rate?
- DoreenMichele 2y ago
  I'm not personally aware of any studies. "In my experience" means it's anecdotal. Funny that it's fine if most people talk about their firsthand experience here and their personal opinions of their firsthand experience but I'm generally given open hostility and dismissiveness for the same on health topics. I have no plans to describe the technique here. I blog elsewhere. I get zero respect and loads of contempt. I don't think this is a genuine good faith inquiry. After being here so many years, I think if people actually wanted to know what I think works, my blogs would have traction. They don't. Instead, I get polite inquiries asking me to prove the unprovable as the default engagement.
  - warkdarrior 2y ago
    I searched for "cartilage" and "joint" on your blog, but got no hits. Any specific blog posts you can suggest to read?
    - DoreenMichele 2y ago
      I have many blogs. This is a search for "cartilage" on my health site: https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/search?q=Cartilage https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/search?q=Cartila...
      - warkdarrior 2y ago
        Thanks!
  - toss1 2y ago
    I am also definitely interested in any info (including anecdotal and/or unproven), but was unable to find any searching your website. Any more specific links or hints you can post? TIA
    - DoreenMichele 2y ago
      Cartilage heals slow because it gets no direct blood supply. All surrounding tissues need to improve their status before cartilage starts to heal because everything goes in and out via osmosis, not via the blood. https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/2022/08/circulation.html https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/2022/08/circulat... I'm done engaging with this this discussion. I'm not a doctor. I'm a dirt poor freelance writer who has been mocked on HN for years for trying to figure out how to support myself. If you need medical care, see a doctor. If you need free miracle cures, try church. I have bills to pay and the world has made it abundantly clear it does not care and I should stop whining. So I feel zero obligation to care about your problems and trying to help you for free out of the goodness of my heart.
      - toss1 2y ago
        Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out! I'm not asking for care or free help, but when one publishes a statement claiming to have helpful info but no details or links, it will usually lead to interested people asking for more. This should not be a cause for surprise or resentment; I'm sorry to have prompted such feelings. I hope you soon get well and succeed in monetizing your skills. (edit: missing "when")
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  - toss1 2y ago
    Just a suggestion, but I've found that at least here on HN, it matters less what do as how you do it. When things are presented at "Here's this solid discovery", people will pretty quickly ask for proof; they want backup, to build on it, or to take the poster down a peg. If the same thing is instead presented as "I've done some work on this, I know it's only N=1, but here's what I found", you'll generally get either just read or curious inquiries. Yes, "generally" is doing a lot of work there, but that's what I've seen here. YMMV, and good fortune!
dahinds 2y ago
I think often when people talk about cartilage "healing" they are talking very specifically about re-growing lost joint cartilage. I don't think there is any evidence that adults can do that specific thing. I do think it is possible to "heal" cartilage in the sense of taking a tissue that is not functioning well and returning it to a more functional state. There's good evidence that exercise and losing excess weight can improve joint function, for example.
purple-leafy 2y ago
I’d love to know your experience. I’m a 20 something with a degenerative joint disease in my hips (yikes!) which means at my diagnosis (early 20s), I could only manage to walk about a kilometre, with severe pain collapsing hips occasionally. All this due to Tumour ridden cartilage, and very thin/no cartilage in some areas. Funnily enough, I’ve had a mindset shift lately and have been walking shorter distances, but much more often, + leg strengthening exercises and Pilates, and now I can walk about 5kms in one trip. In my experience, I don’t know if I’ve somehow healed some cartilage, but something had changed
- stanford_labrat 2y ago
  i'm a 20 something former semi-pro athlete with grade 4 osteoarthritis in my knee. pain was massively bad but over the past 2 years has improved significantly. here's what i did: 1) mindfully progressively overload the leg muscles to build strength 2) quit playing rugby (so stop playing hard contacts sports with a lot of abrupt, sudden movements) 3) do my best to lose weight. our situations are different but i wish you luck.
  - purple-leafy 2y ago
    On the same path it seems - I’ve stopped all running, football etc and mostly just cycle now. Cycling makes the joint feel “lubricated” lol Must be something about increasing the blood flow to the joint. Losing weight in progress Best of luck in your situation, we can do this!

warkdarrior 2y ago

What is the technique to foster natural healing of cartilage? Any published studies on its success rate?

DoreenMichele 2y ago
I'm not personally aware of any studies. "In my experience" means it's anecdotal. Funny that it's fine if most people talk about their firsthand experience here and their personal opinions of their firsthand experience but I'm generally given open hostility and dismissiveness for the same on health topics. I have no plans to describe the technique here. I blog elsewhere. I get zero respect and loads of contempt. I don't think this is a genuine good faith inquiry. After being here so many years, I think if people actually wanted to know what I think works, my blogs would have traction. They don't. Instead, I get polite inquiries asking me to prove the unprovable as the default engagement.
- warkdarrior 2y ago
  I searched for "cartilage" and "joint" on your blog, but got no hits. Any specific blog posts you can suggest to read?
  - DoreenMichele 2y ago
    I have many blogs. This is a search for "cartilage" on my health site: https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/search?q=Cartilage https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/search?q=Cartila...
    - warkdarrior 2y ago
      Thanks!
- toss1 2y ago
  I am also definitely interested in any info (including anecdotal and/or unproven), but was unable to find any searching your website. Any more specific links or hints you can post? TIA
  - DoreenMichele 2y ago
    Cartilage heals slow because it gets no direct blood supply. All surrounding tissues need to improve their status before cartilage starts to heal because everything goes in and out via osmosis, not via the blood. https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/2022/08/circulation.html https://atypicalcysticfibrosis.blogspot.com/2022/08/circulat... I'm done engaging with this this discussion. I'm not a doctor. I'm a dirt poor freelance writer who has been mocked on HN for years for trying to figure out how to support myself. If you need medical care, see a doctor. If you need free miracle cures, try church. I have bills to pay and the world has made it abundantly clear it does not care and I should stop whining. So I feel zero obligation to care about your problems and trying to help you for free out of the goodness of my heart.
    - toss1 2y ago
      Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out! I'm not asking for care or free help, but when one publishes a statement claiming to have helpful info but no details or links, it will usually lead to interested people asking for more. This should not be a cause for surprise or resentment; I'm sorry to have prompted such feelings. I hope you soon get well and succeed in monetizing your skills. (edit: missing "when")
- deleted 2y ago
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- toss1 2y ago
  Just a suggestion, but I've found that at least here on HN, it matters less what do as how you do it. When things are presented at "Here's this solid discovery", people will pretty quickly ask for proof; they want backup, to build on it, or to take the poster down a peg. If the same thing is instead presented as "I've done some work on this, I know it's only N=1, but here's what I found", you'll generally get either just read or curious inquiries. Yes, "generally" is doing a lot of work there, but that's what I've seen here. YMMV, and good fortune!

dahinds 2y ago

I think often when people talk about cartilage "healing" they are talking very specifically about re-growing lost joint cartilage. I don't think there is any evidence that adults can do that specific thing. I do think it is possible to "heal" cartilage in the sense of taking a tissue that is not functioning well and returning it to a more functional state. There's good evidence that exercise and losing excess weight can improve joint function, for example.

purple-leafy 2y ago

I’d love to know your experience. I’m a 20 something with a degenerative joint disease in my hips (yikes!) which means at my diagnosis (early 20s), I could only manage to walk about a kilometre, with severe pain collapsing hips occasionally. All this due to Tumour ridden cartilage, and very thin/no cartilage in some areas. Funnily enough, I’ve had a mindset shift lately and have been walking shorter distances, but much more often, + leg strengthening exercises and Pilates, and now I can walk about 5kms in one trip. In my experience, I don’t know if I’ve somehow healed some cartilage, but something had changed

stanford_labrat 2y ago
i'm a 20 something former semi-pro athlete with grade 4 osteoarthritis in my knee. pain was massively bad but over the past 2 years has improved significantly. here's what i did: 1) mindfully progressively overload the leg muscles to build strength 2) quit playing rugby (so stop playing hard contacts sports with a lot of abrupt, sudden movements) 3) do my best to lose weight. our situations are different but i wish you luck.
- purple-leafy 2y ago
  On the same path it seems - I’ve stopped all running, football etc and mostly just cycle now. Cycling makes the joint feel “lubricated” lol Must be something about increasing the blood flow to the joint. Losing weight in progress Best of luck in your situation, we can do this!