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The strange things is why has there been a huge change in so many people being diagnosed to get cpaps? I had a snoring problem, I was asked to take the test an

by j45 2y ago

The strange things is why has there been a huge change in so many people being diagnosed to get cpaps? I had a snoring problem, I was asked to take the test and failed it, no cpap. Turns out I may have just been not sleeping enough. might have a physical issue with my nose like I mentioned to everyone.

jermaustin1 2y ago
Conspiracy Theory backed up by almost no proof: CPAPs MAY soon not be regulated as a medical device, so CPAP companies are partnering and opening more sleep centers and pushing for more sleep studies so they can get their ($800-2000) for what is basically a fan that blows a low pressure stream of air into your nose/mouth. I have a CPAP, I've not noticed anything better about my quality of sleep, or the soundness of my sleep. The only thing it has prevented is my snoring. My sleep studies (did 2 of them - one didn't record my blood oxygen) showed I get ~10 (8 on first, 11 on second) apnea events a night. I still do (according to CPAP) (1.12/hr on average). As a comparison, my wife gets 3/hr now, and her sleep study showed she had over 200 events per night. She LOVES her CPAP.
- j45 2y ago
  Interesting. Maybe it's not just about not being a regulated medical device, but who pays for it (insurance). So maybe the conspiracy that's tru is the payers can be expected to not want to have to pay so much, or so often. I'm very happy for who CPAP works for. I have lots of friends who's quality of life it improves. Had a doctor friend even recommend it to me. I took the CPAP test from a said sleep centre as referred by my doctor just to be present. Wore the machine 3 times. The folks who in my life swore I had some issues with sleep (including my partner), including loud inter floor snoring, oddly reduced or resolved themselves to some degree as soon as I started paying attention to my sleep and body. Snoring it turns out can also be a magnified by being over tired. I just wasn't sleeping enough, and while I felt sharp enough to work and live, my body needed a breather when there hadn't been a vacation for a few years. A few days off here and there yes, but sometimes that's not enough.
- sliken 2y ago
  My source, I know an engineer that works on them. First of all they are medical devices, some people can't safely sleep without them, and those people might be unconscious, in surgery, and/or heavily medicated. So that means audits, special testing requirements, etc. Next medical requirements are quite varied, some are just "assist", some are constant velocity but variable pressure, others are constant pressure and variable velocity, some control breaths per minute, and other setting control total volume. Various health problems, surgery recovery, etc have different requirements. There can be temperature and humidity requirements as well. So you need a pretty healthy fan to handle all the static and dynamic pressure requirements that are sometimes constant RPM or variable. Of course all the above need accurate sensors, failures could hurt someone's lungs. Good sensors require laminar flows. Laminar flows get harder with a wide range of pressures, speeds, and volumes. So it ends up quite a bit more than "a fan that blows a low pressure stream".
jerlam 2y ago
Every smart watch/wearable device has some kind of sleep tracker now. Newer ones have pulse oxymeters. Even if they are inaccurate, they are making a lot of people self-conscious about their sleep. - Why is my sleep score only around 50? - Why is my HRV lower than everyone elses? - Why does my pulse ox regularly fall to the 80s? Some of these people are going to seek medical advice, and some will be prescribed CPAPs. As far was why people seem to be having sleep apnea more, I like the theory that it's related to weaker jaw muscles in proportion to our bone structure, caused by the modern diet of eating softer foods. But it's a current area of research.
- j45 2y ago
  Great point. I thought about Oura rings as well, heard good things about them
taylodl 2y ago
Along with what everyone else is saying I think there are a few additional factors: - The population is getting older - The population is getting heavier - There's a greater general awareness of sleep apnea and its seriousness - Today's CPAP machines are smaller, quieter, and easier and more comfortable to use than those of yesteryear, so doctors know their patients will be more receptive to the treatment
- j45 2y ago
  It goes without saying, but for places where there's public healthcare, Demand for CPAPs are also a business. Having good oxygen to breath, and being able to breathe it are really important. Some people discover they may have a deviated septum or something else so anything physiological is good to get right long before you need it.

by j45 2y ago

jermaustin1 2y ago

Conspiracy Theory backed up by almost no proof: CPAPs MAY soon not be regulated as a medical device, so CPAP companies are partnering and opening more sleep centers and pushing for more sleep studies so they can get their ($800-2000) for what is basically a fan that blows a low pressure stream of air into your nose/mouth. I have a CPAP, I've not noticed anything better about my quality of sleep, or the soundness of my sleep. The only thing it has prevented is my snoring. My sleep studies (did 2 of them - one didn't record my blood oxygen) showed I get ~10 (8 on first, 11 on second) apnea events a night. I still do (according to CPAP) (1.12/hr on average). As a comparison, my wife gets 3/hr now, and her sleep study showed she had over 200 events per night. She LOVES her CPAP.

j45 2y ago
Interesting. Maybe it's not just about not being a regulated medical device, but who pays for it (insurance). So maybe the conspiracy that's tru is the payers can be expected to not want to have to pay so much, or so often. I'm very happy for who CPAP works for. I have lots of friends who's quality of life it improves. Had a doctor friend even recommend it to me. I took the CPAP test from a said sleep centre as referred by my doctor just to be present. Wore the machine 3 times. The folks who in my life swore I had some issues with sleep (including my partner), including loud inter floor snoring, oddly reduced or resolved themselves to some degree as soon as I started paying attention to my sleep and body. Snoring it turns out can also be a magnified by being over tired. I just wasn't sleeping enough, and while I felt sharp enough to work and live, my body needed a breather when there hadn't been a vacation for a few years. A few days off here and there yes, but sometimes that's not enough.
sliken 2y ago
My source, I know an engineer that works on them. First of all they are medical devices, some people can't safely sleep without them, and those people might be unconscious, in surgery, and/or heavily medicated. So that means audits, special testing requirements, etc. Next medical requirements are quite varied, some are just "assist", some are constant velocity but variable pressure, others are constant pressure and variable velocity, some control breaths per minute, and other setting control total volume. Various health problems, surgery recovery, etc have different requirements. There can be temperature and humidity requirements as well. So you need a pretty healthy fan to handle all the static and dynamic pressure requirements that are sometimes constant RPM or variable. Of course all the above need accurate sensors, failures could hurt someone's lungs. Good sensors require laminar flows. Laminar flows get harder with a wide range of pressures, speeds, and volumes. So it ends up quite a bit more than "a fan that blows a low pressure stream".

jerlam 2y ago

Every smart watch/wearable device has some kind of sleep tracker now. Newer ones have pulse oxymeters. Even if they are inaccurate, they are making a lot of people self-conscious about their sleep. - Why is my sleep score only around 50? - Why is my HRV lower than everyone elses? - Why does my pulse ox regularly fall to the 80s? Some of these people are going to seek medical advice, and some will be prescribed CPAPs. As far was why people seem to be having sleep apnea more, I like the theory that it's related to weaker jaw muscles in proportion to our bone structure, caused by the modern diet of eating softer foods. But it's a current area of research.

j45 2y ago
Great point. I thought about Oura rings as well, heard good things about them

taylodl 2y ago

Along with what everyone else is saying I think there are a few additional factors: - The population is getting older - The population is getting heavier - There's a greater general awareness of sleep apnea and its seriousness - Today's CPAP machines are smaller, quieter, and easier and more comfortable to use than those of yesteryear, so doctors know their patients will be more receptive to the treatment

j45 2y ago
It goes without saying, but for places where there's public healthcare, Demand for CPAPs are also a business. Having good oxygen to breath, and being able to breathe it are really important. Some people discover they may have a deviated septum or something else so anything physiological is good to get right long before you need it.