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Good - Mozilla is only propped up in this position by Google, it's time to kick the crutch away. I'm tired of hearing people who think Firefox is the alternati

Good - Mozilla is only propped up in this position by Google, it's time to kick the crutch away. I'm tired of hearing people who think Firefox is the alternative to google when they're clearly both happy with the terrible status quo. Break the chromium team out of google and put some actual damn laws in place for data collection.

tivert 2y ago
> Good - Mozilla is only propped up in this position by Google, it's time to kick the crutch away. I'd rather see Mozilla reformed rather than sink. It's the only non Chromium browser that still exists, isn't such a memory hog, and has good extensibility.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  Safari?
  - tivert 2y ago
    > Safari? Touche, but it's only available one one platform and aren't the both descended from WebKit?
    - foobarchu 2y ago
      I don't personally like the browser, but Safari has been on Windows for decades
      - rawgabbit 2y ago
        Discontinued on windows. https://www.xda-developers.com/safari-for-windows-editorial/ https://www.xda-developers.com/safari-for-windows-editorial/
- yesco 2y ago
  If Mozilla disappeared then I don't think that would imply the death of Firefox, I suspect there is enough motivation in the community to support a "successor" fork to fill the vacuum. I'm sure the transition would be pretty awkward though, and it could have some negative implications on new WC3 standards in the short term. It ultimately depends on the "how" though, like if Mozilla were to act selfishly, they could get aggressive with the trademark and kill the brand recognition of a fork, possibly even requiring interface changes. Alternatively on the other end of the spectrum, if they simply passed Firefox in it's entirety to the community, it could possibly end up in a Thunderbird situation where it experiences a revival without a fork being necessary. Absent Googles funding, I think the best case scenario would be it's top leadership leaving as the budget stops being capable of sustaining the salaries critical for "supporting their families" and Mozilla gradually transitions into the non-profit it was always meant to be, soliciting donations exclusively for browser development. All while free from any concerns about pissing of Google and losing their main source of funding.
- big-green-man 2y ago
  It is not the only non chromium browser. You have WebKit browsers like safari, epiphany, and WebKit is a fine engine to build a browser around. Then you've got Servo and Ladybird, which are coming along. Truth is, the reason its so hard to make a browser is because they have to support all this insane cruft, which I believe is by design so as to prevent new entrants to the browser market. The only way to fix the problem is to drop support for all that crap. Mozilla is entirely captured by Google. They exist to protect google from antitrust law, they collude with google to damage the web, they're not a true alternative. They're complicit in their own downfall because they're paid to comply. Honestly what Mozilla is doing is more off putting to me than what google is doing.

tivert 2y ago

> Good - Mozilla is only propped up in this position by Google, it's time to kick the crutch away. I'd rather see Mozilla reformed rather than sink. It's the only non Chromium browser that still exists, isn't such a memory hog, and has good extensibility.

mike_hearn 2y ago
Safari?
- tivert 2y ago
  > Safari? Touche, but it's only available one one platform and aren't the both descended from WebKit?
  - foobarchu 2y ago
    I don't personally like the browser, but Safari has been on Windows for decades
    - rawgabbit 2y ago
      Discontinued on windows. https://www.xda-developers.com/safari-for-windows-editorial/ https://www.xda-developers.com/safari-for-windows-editorial/
yesco 2y ago
If Mozilla disappeared then I don't think that would imply the death of Firefox, I suspect there is enough motivation in the community to support a "successor" fork to fill the vacuum. I'm sure the transition would be pretty awkward though, and it could have some negative implications on new WC3 standards in the short term. It ultimately depends on the "how" though, like if Mozilla were to act selfishly, they could get aggressive with the trademark and kill the brand recognition of a fork, possibly even requiring interface changes. Alternatively on the other end of the spectrum, if they simply passed Firefox in it's entirety to the community, it could possibly end up in a Thunderbird situation where it experiences a revival without a fork being necessary. Absent Googles funding, I think the best case scenario would be it's top leadership leaving as the budget stops being capable of sustaining the salaries critical for "supporting their families" and Mozilla gradually transitions into the non-profit it was always meant to be, soliciting donations exclusively for browser development. All while free from any concerns about pissing of Google and losing their main source of funding.
big-green-man 2y ago
It is not the only non chromium browser. You have WebKit browsers like safari, epiphany, and WebKit is a fine engine to build a browser around. Then you've got Servo and Ladybird, which are coming along. Truth is, the reason its so hard to make a browser is because they have to support all this insane cruft, which I believe is by design so as to prevent new entrants to the browser market. The only way to fix the problem is to drop support for all that crap. Mozilla is entirely captured by Google. They exist to protect google from antitrust law, they collude with google to damage the web, they're not a true alternative. They're complicit in their own downfall because they're paid to comply. Honestly what Mozilla is doing is more off putting to me than what google is doing.