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Aren't these vehicles manufactured to a significantly lower standard than most in North America?

sottol 2y ago
Standards of.. Quality? Safety? Significantly lower? Probably not. I bet in some ways higher, other ways lower. But different for sure. Problem is probably the landscape of huge cars proliferating in the US vs smaller cars other places. But safety is not inherently worse in lower speed collisions [1]: "Conclusions: Although we are generally concerned that drivers of small vehicles suffer more severe injuries, our results suggest that, for real-world accidents, K-cars provide similar safety for drivers involved in frontal collisions as standard vehicles in low delta V impact conditions." [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24499113/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24499113/
maxglute 2y ago
Feels like if safety was concern we wouldn't have motorcycles.
- Ylpertnodi 2y ago
  Nor drivers that use "I didn't see him".
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    "Use"? Do you think people who wreck their own car in a crash with a motorcycle are lying about not seeing the motorcycle? That's some real persecution complex shit my dude.
    - meowster 2y ago
      It's called Selective Attention which explained in another comment: > Notably, people tend to see what they expect to see. > When they are looking for cars, they tend not to see motorcycles, even when they are in plain view. Watch/take this Selective Attention test (1 min 22 sec): https://youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo https://youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo
  - K0balt 2y ago
    Notably, people tend to see what they expect to see. When they are looking for cars, they tend not to see motorcycles, even when they are in plain view. OTOH, motorcycles can fit into blind spots on cars that other cars cannot, often into blind spots that typically go unnoticed.
    - meowster 2y ago
      > blind spots on cars "Believe it or not, some drivers point their side mirrors inward — so they see only their own cars — instead of rotating them outward" [2]. Blind spots are self-induced. I've never driven a consumer vehicle where I couldn't adjust my mirrors properly to get rid of blindspots. [0] https://www.defensivedriving.com/safe-driver-resources/how-to-get-rid-of-your-blind-spot/ https://www.defensivedriving.com/safe-driver-resources/how-t... [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15131074/how-to-adjust-your-mirrors-to-avoid-blind-spots/ https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15131074/how-to-adjus... [2] https://www.aarp.org/auto/driver-safety/car-mirrors-blind-spots/ https://www.aarp.org/auto/driver-safety/car-mirrors-blind-sp...
      - K0balt 2y ago
        You’ve never had the pleasure of driving my car lol, I think they got the mirror curvature wrong or something. I had to put one of those convex stick on things just to see decently, but it’s distracting and adds to cognitive load to use two mirrors instead of one to see the right side.
boesboes 2y ago
Lol, yeah, that is why the american auto industry is in the shitter. Not because the japanese comapnies could make cars better, cheaper and quicker. Aside from ride-height, these vehicles are much lower standing.
sschueller 2y ago
Like the pedestrian safety standard of the cyber truck? /s If safety / standards are an issue just demand these vehicles meet them as well instead of outright banning them.
theshrike79 2y ago
We have crash tests in the rest of the world too, and Kei-cars match the specs. But the difference on this side of the big wet bit is that we attribute a big percentage of the safety score to pedestrian safety too - something Americans don't care about.

Standards of.. Quality? Safety? Significantly lower? Probably not. I bet in some ways higher, other ways lower. But different for sure. Problem is probably the landscape of huge cars proliferating in the US vs smaller cars other places. But safety is not inherently worse in lower speed collisions [1]: "Conclusions: Although we are generally concerned that drivers of small vehicles suffer more severe injuries, our results suggest that, for real-world accidents, K-cars provide similar safety for drivers involved in frontal collisions as standard vehicles in low delta V impact conditions." [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24499113/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24499113/

maxglute 2y ago

Feels like if safety was concern we wouldn't have motorcycles.

Ylpertnodi 2y ago
Nor drivers that use "I didn't see him".
- lupusreal 2y ago
  "Use"? Do you think people who wreck their own car in a crash with a motorcycle are lying about not seeing the motorcycle? That's some real persecution complex shit my dude.
  - meowster 2y ago
    It's called Selective Attention which explained in another comment: > Notably, people tend to see what they expect to see. > When they are looking for cars, they tend not to see motorcycles, even when they are in plain view. Watch/take this Selective Attention test (1 min 22 sec): https://youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo https://youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo
- K0balt 2y ago
  Notably, people tend to see what they expect to see. When they are looking for cars, they tend not to see motorcycles, even when they are in plain view. OTOH, motorcycles can fit into blind spots on cars that other cars cannot, often into blind spots that typically go unnoticed.
  - meowster 2y ago
    > blind spots on cars "Believe it or not, some drivers point their side mirrors inward — so they see only their own cars — instead of rotating them outward" [2]. Blind spots are self-induced. I've never driven a consumer vehicle where I couldn't adjust my mirrors properly to get rid of blindspots. [0] https://www.defensivedriving.com/safe-driver-resources/how-to-get-rid-of-your-blind-spot/ https://www.defensivedriving.com/safe-driver-resources/how-t... [1] https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15131074/how-to-adjust-your-mirrors-to-avoid-blind-spots/ https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15131074/how-to-adjus... [2] https://www.aarp.org/auto/driver-safety/car-mirrors-blind-spots/ https://www.aarp.org/auto/driver-safety/car-mirrors-blind-sp...
    - K0balt 2y ago
      You’ve never had the pleasure of driving my car lol, I think they got the mirror curvature wrong or something. I had to put one of those convex stick on things just to see decently, but it’s distracting and adds to cognitive load to use two mirrors instead of one to see the right side.

boesboes 2y ago

Lol, yeah, that is why the american auto industry is in the shitter. Not because the japanese comapnies could make cars better, cheaper and quicker. Aside from ride-height, these vehicles are much lower standing.

sschueller 2y ago

Like the pedestrian safety standard of the cyber truck? /s If safety / standards are an issue just demand these vehicles meet them as well instead of outright banning them.

theshrike79 2y ago

We have crash tests in the rest of the world too, and Kei-cars match the specs. But the difference on this side of the big wet bit is that we attribute a big percentage of the safety score to pedestrian safety too - something Americans don't care about.