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I can replace everything with frame work (it is designed to be long term maintainable and replaceable), and I wouldn't dare discriminate on the people who are e

I can replace everything with frame work (it is designed to be long term maintainable and replaceable), and I wouldn't dare discriminate on the people who are earning a living assembling laptops on the basis of the continent they reside in.

anonzzzies 2y ago
I know hardware developed in asia that is not from sweatshops. It is more expensive though. It is fact that most mass produced hardware comes from mass assembly line low wage staff in asia under questionable circumstances. How is that discrimination? The frame work is more expensive than what the person I responded to said, but it is an example of how it should be. It wont be cheaper though.
- notepad0x90 2y ago
  framework is expensive but for hardware specs it isn't crazy expensive, it's in the macbook range. I can't think of any other laptop that comes close to mnt's price range for the specs/size. I don't really understand what your problem with low wage staff is, I suspect we have a different understand of this. In my view, even having employment at all is a big deal in those regions and matters of local labor law should be dealt with by the local population. Ingesting cash into their country's economy is usually a good thing unless there are ethical concerns like slavery or forced labor which isn't the case here. Western labor laws were dismal at some point as well, child labor was rampant even in the US not even a hundred years ago, I hope other countries make progress at their own pace.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    That's another way of looking at it, but because we used to do it (we killed people over religion, involuntary lobotomies etc), doesn't mean we should support or condone it in other places. It's a difficult problem and I don't mean to take the food out of the mouths of people; the point is however that THIS particular MNT laptop is more expensive because you cannot really live in Germany painstakingly assembling one device at a time vs mass production in low wage regions. So this was more a remark on 'why is this so expensive?'. Also, if people would buy repairable stuff it can become the norm; I guess govs are starting to demand it; either the prices go up or they find a way to make it happen ; both are good ; people need to learn to repair stuff instead of 'just get a new one, it costs nothing anyway'.

anonzzzies 2y ago

I know hardware developed in asia that is not from sweatshops. It is more expensive though. It is fact that most mass produced hardware comes from mass assembly line low wage staff in asia under questionable circumstances. How is that discrimination? The frame work is more expensive than what the person I responded to said, but it is an example of how it should be. It wont be cheaper though.

notepad0x90 2y ago
framework is expensive but for hardware specs it isn't crazy expensive, it's in the macbook range. I can't think of any other laptop that comes close to mnt's price range for the specs/size. I don't really understand what your problem with low wage staff is, I suspect we have a different understand of this. In my view, even having employment at all is a big deal in those regions and matters of local labor law should be dealt with by the local population. Ingesting cash into their country's economy is usually a good thing unless there are ethical concerns like slavery or forced labor which isn't the case here. Western labor laws were dismal at some point as well, child labor was rampant even in the US not even a hundred years ago, I hope other countries make progress at their own pace.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  That's another way of looking at it, but because we used to do it (we killed people over religion, involuntary lobotomies etc), doesn't mean we should support or condone it in other places. It's a difficult problem and I don't mean to take the food out of the mouths of people; the point is however that THIS particular MNT laptop is more expensive because you cannot really live in Germany painstakingly assembling one device at a time vs mass production in low wage regions. So this was more a remark on 'why is this so expensive?'. Also, if people would buy repairable stuff it can become the norm; I guess govs are starting to demand it; either the prices go up or they find a way to make it happen ; both are good ; people need to learn to repair stuff instead of 'just get a new one, it costs nothing anyway'.