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I just don't understand why other people who do it don't stop. You're deceiving people and making the world worse by doing so. Fair enough?

vasco 2y ago
They are just like you were up until the point you decided to stop. How is it difficult to understand when you say you were in the exact same shoes?
- Quarrelsome 2y ago
  I had limited options. We're talking here about sales people at top orgs pulling six figures, they have choices, especially in terms of technique. They have just decided to make this their career and use techniques like that to manipulate others. Fair enough?
  - vasco 2y ago
    I'm not judging anyone here btw, it's just interesting banter, I hope you don't take it the wrong way. I also agree with you that it is objectively worse to do it for 20 years than 2 years. That being said, the "I had limited options" is in my opinion a bullshit excuse, specially for this specific situation. Nobody's "few options" is working for a financial fraud operation. When you're out of options you work construction or drive a long haul truck or whatever.
    - Quarrelsome 2y ago
      > That being said, the "I had limited options" is in my opinion a bullshit excuse, specially for this specific situation. I had irregular work waiting tables, doing MLM door-to-door shit which scammed me out of my money, I had to borrow money to make ends meet. Sales was the first consistent full time job I got that paid slightly over minimum. I did it a few years and hated it, then got into tech. I'm just stating if you're over six figures and you're doing sales and using manipulative tricks like OP you're not a good person. You're claiming this is only because I stopped doing it and yes; its because I stopped doing it. I'm sure I'd find some excuse that its ok if I still was; but that's why I wanted to stop, cause I didn't want to reach for the excuse. Here's a thought; still do sales but don't manipulate other people to flog them shit, especially if it isn't the right choice for them.
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  - cortesoft 2y ago
    I am sure those people also think their options are limited, or they think if they don’t do it, someone else will anyway, or a million other justifications people tell themselves just like you told yourself when you were doing it.
BeetleB 2y ago
The same rationale people give themselves for working on ads, social networks, mobile games that keep charging money to level up, selling liquor and tobacco in convenience stores, selling sugary food, selling deep fried food, etc.

vasco 2y ago

They are just like you were up until the point you decided to stop. How is it difficult to understand when you say you were in the exact same shoes?

Quarrelsome 2y ago
I had limited options. We're talking here about sales people at top orgs pulling six figures, they have choices, especially in terms of technique. They have just decided to make this their career and use techniques like that to manipulate others. Fair enough?
- vasco 2y ago
  I'm not judging anyone here btw, it's just interesting banter, I hope you don't take it the wrong way. I also agree with you that it is objectively worse to do it for 20 years than 2 years. That being said, the "I had limited options" is in my opinion a bullshit excuse, specially for this specific situation. Nobody's "few options" is working for a financial fraud operation. When you're out of options you work construction or drive a long haul truck or whatever.
  - Quarrelsome 2y ago
    > That being said, the "I had limited options" is in my opinion a bullshit excuse, specially for this specific situation. I had irregular work waiting tables, doing MLM door-to-door shit which scammed me out of my money, I had to borrow money to make ends meet. Sales was the first consistent full time job I got that paid slightly over minimum. I did it a few years and hated it, then got into tech. I'm just stating if you're over six figures and you're doing sales and using manipulative tricks like OP you're not a good person. You're claiming this is only because I stopped doing it and yes; its because I stopped doing it. I'm sure I'd find some excuse that its ok if I still was; but that's why I wanted to stop, cause I didn't want to reach for the excuse. Here's a thought; still do sales but don't manipulate other people to flog them shit, especially if it isn't the right choice for them.
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- cortesoft 2y ago
  I am sure those people also think their options are limited, or they think if they don’t do it, someone else will anyway, or a million other justifications people tell themselves just like you told yourself when you were doing it.

BeetleB 2y ago

The same rationale people give themselves for working on ads, social networks, mobile games that keep charging money to level up, selling liquor and tobacco in convenience stores, selling sugary food, selling deep fried food, etc.