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I shudder to think how people can do this as a daily and never reflect on how they're spending their time manipulating others and arguably making the world a wo
by Quarrelsome 2y ago
I shudder to think how people can do this as a daily and never reflect on how they're spending their time manipulating others and arguably making the world a worse place. Don't get me wrong, I used to do it myself and I was very good at it, I just don't understand how someone can keep doing it when there are more moral options.
- vasco 2y agoWe all just understand what we want to understand. For you this is a natural response because it's the only way your brain has to reconcile that you're a good person (which is something our brains are trying to do all the time). At the time you just did it. Then you felt bad about it and stopped. So now you think worse of the people that do it, but wait, you can't think bad about the people that do it because you also did it, so you instead change the form to "think bad of people that _keep_ doing it". If you had never done it, you'd say "who can even do this for a day!?!?". For someone that hasn't even considered it, you might be a terrible person for even having considered doing it, much less actually doing it for a while. Careful about moralizing. I do it too btw, I'm just blind to the ones I do.
- Quarrelsome 2y agoI just don't understand why other people who do it don't stop. You're deceiving people and making the world worse by doing so. Fair enough?
- vasco 2y agoThey are just like you were up until the point you decided to stop. How is it difficult to understand when you say you were in the exact same shoes?
- Quarrelsome 2y agoI had limited options. We're talking here about sales people at top orgs pulling six figures, they have choices, especially in terms of technique. They have just decided to make this their career and use techniques like that to manipulate others. Fair enough?
- vasco 2y agoI'm not judging anyone here btw, it's just interesting banter, I hope you don't take it the wrong way. I also agree with you that it is objectively worse to do it for 20 years than 2 years. That being said, the "I had limited options" is in my opinion a bullshit excuse, specially for this specific situation. Nobody's "few options" is working for a financial fraud operation. When you're out of options you work construction or drive a long haul truck or whatever.
- Quarrelsome 2y ago> That being said, the "I had limited options" is in my opinion a bullshit excuse, specially for this specific situation. I had irregular work waiting tables, doing MLM door-to-door shit which scammed me out of my money, I had to borrow money to make ends meet. Sales was the first consistent full time job I got that paid slightly over minimum. I did it a few years and hated it, then got into tech. I'm just stating if you're over six figures and you're doing sales and using manipulative tricks like OP you're not a good person. You're claiming this is only because I stopped doing it and yes; its because I stopped doing it. I'm sure I'd find some excuse that its ok if I still was; but that's why I wanted to stop, cause I didn't want to reach for the excuse. Here's a thought; still do sales but don't manipulate other people to flog them shit, especially if it isn't the right choice for them.
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- cortesoft 2y agoI am sure those people also think their options are limited, or they think if they don’t do it, someone else will anyway, or a million other justifications people tell themselves just like you told yourself when you were doing it.
- BeetleB 2y agoThe same rationale people give themselves for working on ads, social networks, mobile games that keep charging money to level up, selling liquor and tobacco in convenience stores, selling sugary food, selling deep fried food, etc.