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Appropriate username, but unfair take. I'll promptly admit my bias: I've been on macs as my daily driver for 20 years. But that's for a reason — the hardware i

Appropriate username, but unfair take. I'll promptly admit my bias: I've been on macs as my daily driver for 20 years. But that's for a reason — the hardware is great, the software is good, and the support for old hardware is honestly amazing. I do lots and lots of hand-me-downs to parents, siblings, the spouse, and lots of those devices still work, with the latest OSes, years and years down the line. I have a friend that just replaced an old 13" Macbook that was 12 years old and working great. Find me a company that does that and is as good in terms of build quality and I'll be immediately interested.

whyoh 2y ago
>the support for old hardware is honestly amazing I disagree. As an example, Macs stuck on 11 (Big Sur) stopped getting updates in 2023.[1] That includes Macs released until ~2014-2015, which are still usable in terms of hardware.[2] I wouldn't call that amazing at all. [1]https://endoflife.date/macos https://endoflife.date/macos [2]https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  They did provide security updates even after eol same goes for the first iPhone SE which is over 10 years of now. For feature updates you might be right…
talldayo 2y ago
It's perfectly fair. When you live by the sword of proprietary and industry-unsupported protocols, you die by that sword as well. Apple products have faced this time and time again, with version updates killing 32-bit program support or pushing the OpenGL depreciation line. Because Apple doesn't have to compete on merits (as your comment points out), they just have to convince you to upgrade on a regular basis. Their routine depreciation and deliberate gimping of old hardware is evidence that Apple does not want you to keep using their devices once they tell you its time to stop.

whyoh 2y ago

>the support for old hardware is honestly amazing I disagree. As an example, Macs stuck on 11 (Big Sur) stopped getting updates in 2023.[1] That includes Macs released until ~2014-2015, which are still usable in terms of hardware.[2] I wouldn't call that amazing at all. [1]https://endoflife.date/macos https://endoflife.date/macos [2]https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260

BoredPositron 2y ago
They did provide security updates even after eol same goes for the first iPhone SE which is over 10 years of now. For feature updates you might be right…

talldayo 2y ago

It's perfectly fair. When you live by the sword of proprietary and industry-unsupported protocols, you die by that sword as well. Apple products have faced this time and time again, with version updates killing 32-bit program support or pushing the OpenGL depreciation line. Because Apple doesn't have to compete on merits (as your comment points out), they just have to convince you to upgrade on a regular basis. Their routine depreciation and deliberate gimping of old hardware is evidence that Apple does not want you to keep using their devices once they tell you its time to stop.