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Why do the citizens of SF like living in such squalor?

by flanked-evergl 2y ago

s1artibartfast 2y ago
The obvious answer is they don't, and it is a tough problem to fix
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  The way I see it, the main way in which the citizens of SF can fix it is by voting for something different, but they don't. So it certainly does seem like they find the status quo preferable to alternatives.
  - pokot0 2y ago
    Before you jump to that conclusion you have to be sure that: - such politician exist (politician is not where we humans shine) - you believe the ones who claim they will fix it - the one that you believe can fix it don’t come with values that you cannot accept (extreme example: “I’ll kill all homeless people. vote me!”
    - flanked-evergl 2y ago
      Given there are/were cities that are not in such decline and such a state, including SF itself, it definitely seems like there are politicians that can fix it. The values conflict may be relevant. If, for example, you think it's critical to allow and facilitate your fellow man to become total enslavement to drugs that destroy their lives and health and eventually kill them, then I can get that you won't want to do anything to stop it, even if you have to live in squalor for that to be the case.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    They might be wrong, but that doesnt mean they like living in squalor. Even if your solution is 100% workable, your statement is like saying a man must really like drowning because they dont know how to swim. I guess I dont think it isn't very constructive.
- naasking 2y ago
  Not really. People have just deluded themselves into thinking that the current situation is somehow more humane than mandatory rehab and institutionalization.
greenavocado 2y ago
Homeless industrial complex. First you cause the crisis then you profit off of the solutions that claim to fix it (but never fix it). https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=san+francisco+homeless+ngo+profit https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=san+francisco+homeless...
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  But the citizens of SF can just stop electing local governments that fund this, yet they don't. I can certainly see how they contributed to causing the crisis (i.e. by electing people who caused it), but I don't see how they profit from it, unless the people in SF likes such conditions, which seems pretty weird, at least to me.
  - greenavocado 2y ago
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    - dizlexic 2y ago
      "AIPAC certified" and just like that, this dude is ranting about the jews controlling everything.
      - psd1 2y ago
        That handle posts mostly tech content. Ventures into politics, embarrasses itself. HackerNews ♥ Dunning-Kruger
      - greenavocado 2y ago
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  - omegaworks 2y ago
    >the people in SF likes such conditions The people in SF like their million dollar shoeboxes to appreciate in value, with zero regard for the externalities that scheme creates[1]. 1. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/08/22/how-housing-costs-drive-levels-of-homelessness https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/...

Why do the citizens of SF like living in such squalor?

s1artibartfast 2y ago

The obvious answer is they don't, and it is a tough problem to fix

flanked-evergl 2y ago
The way I see it, the main way in which the citizens of SF can fix it is by voting for something different, but they don't. So it certainly does seem like they find the status quo preferable to alternatives.
- pokot0 2y ago
  Before you jump to that conclusion you have to be sure that: - such politician exist (politician is not where we humans shine) - you believe the ones who claim they will fix it - the one that you believe can fix it don’t come with values that you cannot accept (extreme example: “I’ll kill all homeless people. vote me!”
  - flanked-evergl 2y ago
    Given there are/were cities that are not in such decline and such a state, including SF itself, it definitely seems like there are politicians that can fix it. The values conflict may be relevant. If, for example, you think it's critical to allow and facilitate your fellow man to become total enslavement to drugs that destroy their lives and health and eventually kill them, then I can get that you won't want to do anything to stop it, even if you have to live in squalor for that to be the case.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  They might be wrong, but that doesnt mean they like living in squalor. Even if your solution is 100% workable, your statement is like saying a man must really like drowning because they dont know how to swim. I guess I dont think it isn't very constructive.
naasking 2y ago
Not really. People have just deluded themselves into thinking that the current situation is somehow more humane than mandatory rehab and institutionalization.

greenavocado 2y ago

Homeless industrial complex. First you cause the crisis then you profit off of the solutions that claim to fix it (but never fix it). https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=san+francisco+homeless+ngo+profit https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=san+francisco+homeless...

flanked-evergl 2y ago
But the citizens of SF can just stop electing local governments that fund this, yet they don't. I can certainly see how they contributed to causing the crisis (i.e. by electing people who caused it), but I don't see how they profit from it, unless the people in SF likes such conditions, which seems pretty weird, at least to me.
- greenavocado 2y ago
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  - dizlexic 2y ago
    "AIPAC certified" and just like that, this dude is ranting about the jews controlling everything.
    - psd1 2y ago
      That handle posts mostly tech content. Ventures into politics, embarrasses itself. HackerNews ♥ Dunning-Kruger
    - greenavocado 2y ago
      [flagged]
- omegaworks 2y ago
  >the people in SF likes such conditions The people in SF like their million dollar shoeboxes to appreciate in value, with zero regard for the externalities that scheme creates[1]. 1. https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2023/08/22/how-housing-costs-drive-levels-of-homelessness https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/...