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> There are known examples of the US government doing industrial espionage for US businesses in the past. If you have a glaring example of this, I'd love to kn

> There are known examples of the US government doing industrial espionage for US businesses in the past. If you have a glaring example of this, I'd love to know.

dijit 2y ago
how glaring? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...
- 3np 2y ago
  That doesn't sound like industrial espionage? (I'd also love to know)
defrost 2y ago
It was taken as a given at one time: With the Cold War ended, officials of the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies have acknowledged that they are redirecting efforts away from traditional spying toward gathering information aimed at ensuring that the United States remains economically and technologically competitive. ~ https://web.archive.org/web/20151016000311/http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/14/news/14iht-spy_.html?pagewanted=1 https://web.archive.org/web/20151016000311/http://www.nytime... China claimed evidence of eleven years of CIA economic espionage: https://thenextweb.com/news/cia-china-hack-agency-government https://thenextweb.com/news/cia-china-hack-agency-government and Operation Eikonal hoovered up more than it should have: After the revelations made by whistleblower Edward Snowden the BND decided to investigate the issue; their October 2013 conclusion was that at least 2,000 of these selectors were aimed at Western European or even German interests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eikonal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eikonal
- fragmede 2y ago
  That's less direct than "ECHELON was used for industrial espionage", which is the specific question being asked. Everyone should be aware of Five (and 18) Eyes, but the TLAs having personal information about individuals is different from them passing Boeing data from Siemen's private business documents.
detourdog 2y ago
Today companies like FedEx can sell their truck videos to authorities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUQApnhENU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUQApnhENU I think that so much data is currently shared with third parties that warrants are obsolete. One can build a data heavy case long before needing a court issued warrant.
lupire 2y ago
One forgets how many Gen Z children are on HN now. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
- fragmede 2y ago
  Specific examples from that article are: > gear-less wind turbine technology designed by the German firm Enercon and the speech technology developed by the Belgian firm Lernout & Hauspie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON?wprov=sfti1#Concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON?wprov=sfti1#Concerns

> There are known examples of the US government doing industrial espionage for US businesses in the past. If you have a glaring example of this, I'd love to know.

dijit 2y ago

how glaring? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...

3np 2y ago
That doesn't sound like industrial espionage? (I'd also love to know)

defrost 2y ago

It was taken as a given at one time: With the Cold War ended, officials of the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies have acknowledged that they are redirecting efforts away from traditional spying toward gathering information aimed at ensuring that the United States remains economically and technologically competitive. ~ https://web.archive.org/web/20151016000311/http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09/14/news/14iht-spy_.html?pagewanted=1 https://web.archive.org/web/20151016000311/http://www.nytime... China claimed evidence of eleven years of CIA economic espionage: https://thenextweb.com/news/cia-china-hack-agency-government https://thenextweb.com/news/cia-china-hack-agency-government and Operation Eikonal hoovered up more than it should have: After the revelations made by whistleblower Edward Snowden the BND decided to investigate the issue; their October 2013 conclusion was that at least 2,000 of these selectors were aimed at Western European or even German interests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eikonal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eikonal

fragmede 2y ago
That's less direct than "ECHELON was used for industrial espionage", which is the specific question being asked. Everyone should be aware of Five (and 18) Eyes, but the TLAs having personal information about individuals is different from them passing Boeing data from Siemen's private business documents.

detourdog 2y ago

Today companies like FedEx can sell their truck videos to authorities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUQApnhENU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIUQApnhENU I think that so much data is currently shared with third parties that warrants are obsolete. One can build a data heavy case long before needing a court issued warrant.

lupire 2y ago

One forgets how many Gen Z children are on HN now. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

fragmede 2y ago
Specific examples from that article are: > gear-less wind turbine technology designed by the German firm Enercon and the speech technology developed by the Belgian firm Lernout & Hauspie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON?wprov=sfti1#Concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON?wprov=sfti1#Concerns