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I really like that the CPUs from the last few rounds have a mini-GPU on board. This is a 16 core, 4.3GHz base processor, with pcie 5. It's going to work really

I really like that the CPUs from the last few rounds have a mini-GPU on board. This is a 16 core, 4.3GHz base processor, with pcie 5. It's going to work really nicely for misc software dev. The onboard GPU probably can't do gaming in satisfactory fashion but it'll drive a bunch of monitors just fine.

Filligree 2y ago
Satisfactory in particular is one of the more scalable games, and should work just fine. ;-)
- dwattttt 2y ago
  With a 1.0 release in a month!
ThatPlayer 2y ago
> it'll drive a bunch of monitors just fine. I wish AMD would tell me how many monitors. Intel's Ark will tell me a 14700K's iGPU supports 4 monitors. AMD's specs for the 8700G supports 4 monitors [0]. But their new 9900X [1] and older 7900X do not mention how many displays are supported. It seems to be left off their GPUs too [2] [0] https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/8000-series/amd-ryzen-7-8700g.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/80... [1] https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-9-9900x.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/90... [2] https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/7000-series/amd-radeon-rx-7900xt.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/700...
- consp 2y ago
  Isn't this related to mainboard/gpu board implementation? Maybe they do not like to get ahead of the vendors.
  - viraptor 2y ago
    The rest of the system may limit the number of outputs in various ways, but the chip itself has its own maximum. It's important information which shouldn't be omitted. And the external factors shouldn't matter here. In the same way they say 170W and not hide it because you may not have a good enough cooler to reach that power draw.
  - ThatPlayer 2y ago
    With DisplayPort multi-stream transport, the number of ports aren't really relevant. It's not related to GPU power either; some RTX 4090s have five ports but Nvidia has a display limit of 4 displays too.
- Numerlor 2y ago
  It seems to be 4 displays; the marketing slides for the granite ridge explicitly list 4 displays https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-dishes-more-zen-5-details-compact-core-is-25-smaller-than-the-normal-core-new-soc-architecture-disclosed#amd-granite-ridge-soc-3 https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-dishes-m... . For Raphael it should be the same as the SOC is the same, I found some articles mentioning 4 displays but nothing directly from AMD quickly, they may have said it during a presentation
Numerlor 2y ago
I wish it was a tiny bit better, or it's just memory bandwidth issues, but when I was running purely from igpu a 4k video stream made animations etc. choppy
- vladvasiliu 2y ago
  This might depend on what / how you're doing this? I daily drive an older zen3 mobile part, with one external 4k screen and the internal display panel. Never had any kind of issue playing hw decoded 4k videos on Linux with picom composer (doing some shadows / blur on random windows). Both windowed and fullscreen. It also seems to work fine on windows, though I don't use that too often, so I may have missed something.
  - Numerlor 2y ago
    The 4k display being at 144Hz may not be helping things if the bandwidth is the issue. The igpu may also be a bit broken as it works fine with passthrough from my dgpu but it was not having a good time running everything off of it with monitors plugged directly into its ports. Browser hw acceleration sometimes caused what seemed like memory artifacts https://u.numerlor.me/PTZj https://u.numerlor.me/PTZj and driver crashes weren't uncommon before I gave up on it. But I don't know if that'd affect performance, and RAM is perfectly stable as that's overclocked and tested rigorously on its own
    - vladvasiliu 2y ago
      The only machine I've ever had with this GPU setup was a 2013 MBP, which ran perfectly. But yeah, I've heard horror stories with newer multi-gpu laptops, especially on Linux. So, since I've been happy with the 4k performance of iGPUs ever since the hd530 of the 6th gen core, I've specifically looked for iGPU-only laptops.
      - Numerlor 2y ago
        This was on my desktop with a 7600x and a 7900xtx, I never managed to properly route the dGPU when I have everything plugged into iGPU, seemed like a driver issue where most programs never managed to actually attach to the GPU and got stuck in some driver hell as they were also unkillable. Only managed to get compute and a Furmark vulkan test working otherwise it only works with at least one screen plugged directly into the dGPU
TacticalCoder 2y ago
> I really like that the CPUs from the last few rounds have a mini-GPU on board. Yeah I run a 7700X since it came out with its iGPU to drive my 38" monitor. Works flawlessly. It's also, arguably, a GPU without a fan. You still have a fan for the CPU: I did put a Noctua NH-12US on mine, which is silent in "powersave" CPU mode and barely audible in "ondemand" mode when the CPU is then working hard. Which is perfect, it's how I like my machine: a tiny audible feedback telling me it's cranking. FWIW I run all but one of my virtual desktop in "powersave" mode, so the fan is never audible when I browse the web, edit PDFs, sort pictures or whatever and then one virtual desktop, the one where I code, puts the CPU in "ondemand" mode. I've configured my WM to automatically switch the CPU's mode depending on which virtual desktop I'm currently on. And if I happen to have one task that I really want to run in performance mode, I send it to my "coding" virtual desktop. Long story short: for people who don't game and who don't run AI models on their main desktop computers, these kind of CPU with an iGPU are really nice.
- mhitza 2y ago
  > I've configured my WM to automatically switch the CPU's mode depending on which virtual desktop I'm currently on. What WM are you using? Some tilling WM that's scriptable or a major one like KWin? I want to script terminal behaviour based on virtual workspace number (or open windows, preferably). Basically launch in with profiles/commandline arguments; and not sure how I'd do that in a wayland compatible way.
  - scottapotamas 2y ago
    While it’s probably not perfect for everyone, I know hyprland exposes the events you’d need for this, accessible via IPC.

Filligree 2y ago

Satisfactory in particular is one of the more scalable games, and should work just fine. ;-)

dwattttt 2y ago
With a 1.0 release in a month!

ThatPlayer 2y ago

> it'll drive a bunch of monitors just fine. I wish AMD would tell me how many monitors. Intel's Ark will tell me a 14700K's iGPU supports 4 monitors. AMD's specs for the 8700G supports 4 monitors [0]. But their new 9900X [1] and older 7900X do not mention how many displays are supported. It seems to be left off their GPUs too [2] [0] https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/8000-series/amd-ryzen-7-8700g.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/80... [1] https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/9000-series/amd-ryzen-9-9900x.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/desktops/ryzen/90... [2] https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/7000-series/amd-radeon-rx-7900xt.html https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/700...

consp 2y ago
Isn't this related to mainboard/gpu board implementation? Maybe they do not like to get ahead of the vendors.
- viraptor 2y ago
  The rest of the system may limit the number of outputs in various ways, but the chip itself has its own maximum. It's important information which shouldn't be omitted. And the external factors shouldn't matter here. In the same way they say 170W and not hide it because you may not have a good enough cooler to reach that power draw.
- ThatPlayer 2y ago
  With DisplayPort multi-stream transport, the number of ports aren't really relevant. It's not related to GPU power either; some RTX 4090s have five ports but Nvidia has a display limit of 4 displays too.
Numerlor 2y ago
It seems to be 4 displays; the marketing slides for the granite ridge explicitly list 4 displays https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-dishes-more-zen-5-details-compact-core-is-25-smaller-than-the-normal-core-new-soc-architecture-disclosed#amd-granite-ridge-soc-3 https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-dishes-m... . For Raphael it should be the same as the SOC is the same, I found some articles mentioning 4 displays but nothing directly from AMD quickly, they may have said it during a presentation

Numerlor 2y ago

I wish it was a tiny bit better, or it's just memory bandwidth issues, but when I was running purely from igpu a 4k video stream made animations etc. choppy

vladvasiliu 2y ago
This might depend on what / how you're doing this? I daily drive an older zen3 mobile part, with one external 4k screen and the internal display panel. Never had any kind of issue playing hw decoded 4k videos on Linux with picom composer (doing some shadows / blur on random windows). Both windowed and fullscreen. It also seems to work fine on windows, though I don't use that too often, so I may have missed something.
- Numerlor 2y ago
  The 4k display being at 144Hz may not be helping things if the bandwidth is the issue. The igpu may also be a bit broken as it works fine with passthrough from my dgpu but it was not having a good time running everything off of it with monitors plugged directly into its ports. Browser hw acceleration sometimes caused what seemed like memory artifacts https://u.numerlor.me/PTZj https://u.numerlor.me/PTZj and driver crashes weren't uncommon before I gave up on it. But I don't know if that'd affect performance, and RAM is perfectly stable as that's overclocked and tested rigorously on its own
  - vladvasiliu 2y ago
    The only machine I've ever had with this GPU setup was a 2013 MBP, which ran perfectly. But yeah, I've heard horror stories with newer multi-gpu laptops, especially on Linux. So, since I've been happy with the 4k performance of iGPUs ever since the hd530 of the 6th gen core, I've specifically looked for iGPU-only laptops.
    - Numerlor 2y ago
      This was on my desktop with a 7600x and a 7900xtx, I never managed to properly route the dGPU when I have everything plugged into iGPU, seemed like a driver issue where most programs never managed to actually attach to the GPU and got stuck in some driver hell as they were also unkillable. Only managed to get compute and a Furmark vulkan test working otherwise it only works with at least one screen plugged directly into the dGPU

TacticalCoder 2y ago

> I really like that the CPUs from the last few rounds have a mini-GPU on board. Yeah I run a 7700X since it came out with its iGPU to drive my 38" monitor. Works flawlessly. It's also, arguably, a GPU without a fan. You still have a fan for the CPU: I did put a Noctua NH-12US on mine, which is silent in "powersave" CPU mode and barely audible in "ondemand" mode when the CPU is then working hard. Which is perfect, it's how I like my machine: a tiny audible feedback telling me it's cranking. FWIW I run all but one of my virtual desktop in "powersave" mode, so the fan is never audible when I browse the web, edit PDFs, sort pictures or whatever and then one virtual desktop, the one where I code, puts the CPU in "ondemand" mode. I've configured my WM to automatically switch the CPU's mode depending on which virtual desktop I'm currently on. And if I happen to have one task that I really want to run in performance mode, I send it to my "coding" virtual desktop. Long story short: for people who don't game and who don't run AI models on their main desktop computers, these kind of CPU with an iGPU are really nice.

mhitza 2y ago
> I've configured my WM to automatically switch the CPU's mode depending on which virtual desktop I'm currently on. What WM are you using? Some tilling WM that's scriptable or a major one like KWin? I want to script terminal behaviour based on virtual workspace number (or open windows, preferably). Basically launch in with profiles/commandline arguments; and not sure how I'd do that in a wayland compatible way.
- scottapotamas 2y ago
  While it’s probably not perfect for everyone, I know hyprland exposes the events you’d need for this, accessible via IPC.