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The rise of 'ento-veganism': how eating crickets could help save the world

11 points by pseudolus 2y ago

unlisted7347 2y ago
If I have to eat bugs to save the world then it's not the world I wanna save. Come up with something else!
- beardyw 2y ago
  Have you tried them?
  - unlisted7347 2y ago
    No, nor I want to. I know their meat actually tastes like other crustaceans. But I don't want to pretend it's just like crabmeat while ignoring crunchy chitin and organs. I'm fine with lab grown meat as long as it matches (or exceeds) nutrients of real meat. P.s. and doesn't have foul texture
    - aziaziazi 2y ago
      > organs Not trying to convince of anything, just curious: why not organs? Many traditional food contains or are made of it: fois gras, small fried fish, gizzard, tongue pâté, sausage casing... A reason I ear often is it's disgusting or dirty. This trend contrasts with the diversity seen in other cultural areas like music, art, and sports. While resistance to change is understandable (neither do I like change), it’s puzzling why culinary exploration has narrowed. Contradiction disclaimer: 6 month ago I stopped eating 99% of animal products I used to, consequently my vegetable intake got much much more diverse.
- foxyv 2y ago
  The vegan police will arrive at your doorstep shortly. Leave the house slowly with your hands up. They will remove all meat and respectfully bury it with appropriate rites. In all seriousness though this is never going to happen. Bug protein is just a convenient way to explore a new food source. Especially for those who are currently experiencing malnutrition. FYI: If you have ever eaten crab, lobster, or crayfish you have in fact already eaten bugs. These types of food used to be reserved for criminals and it was seen as cruel and unusual punishment to feed them to people in some states.
h2odragon 2y ago
May 2024: https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/14-05-2024/eat-the-bugs-a-short-history-of-yet-another-global-conspiracy https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/14-05-2024/eat-the-bugs-a-s... Jul 2023: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/18/1188237695/this-right-wing-conspiracy-theory-about-eating-bugs-is-about-as-racist-as-you-th https://www.npr.org/2023/07/18/1188237695/this-right-wing-co...
- sickofparadox 2y ago
  Saying that it is "just an evil conspiracy theory" is always just a rhetorical a way to lump it in with plainly ridiculous things like flat earth and moon landing denialism. It is done to run cover for the patently obvious efforts to enforce an end goal from the other side by making alternatives either too expensive through regulation or just flat out illegal.
theandrewbailey 2y ago
"Eat the bugs. Drink the soylent. Get in the pod. Live in the metaverse. Own nothing. Be happy." I prefer the sad freedom out here, thanks!
mytailorisrich 2y ago
“I’m vegan aside from insects,” he says. “But there are also vegans that are vegan aside from bivalves like mussels and clams. And I would say that a larger portion of vegans are OK with eating insects and bivalves than you’d probably expect.” This sort of article reads like a parody of The Guardian except that The Guardian is not in on the joke and is being serious.
082349872349872 2y ago
there is no new thing under the sun; compare Leviticus 11:22
- vinnyvichy 2y ago
  "Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind" (Should listen to the elders!!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Levi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Levi Also: Goethe discovered Hawking radiation! (Faust 1334-1336)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    1350 even: "Ein Theil der Finsterniß, die sich das Licht gebar," Mephistopheles is large (1e35 lₚ?) enough to appear classical; if he has been Hawking Radiated, does that predict anything about the timescale of the ultimate evaporation of (good and) evil? May we thereby derive a prelude to a philosophy of the future? (is FWN's "Jenseits" his century's equivalent of the "post-singularity"?)
    - vinnyvichy 2y ago
      Not sure if blackholes have been agreed to be fundamental [Corpuscklese] (i.e. being the event-horizon-in-itself), but [my personal] intuition suggestively emits that Goethe, inserting the mediating entity, did the first verifiable produce. -- and is so become the first Undismal Scientist, the Undead Beholder (cf Herodotus, &c) Histories 1.32.7: "εἰ δὲ πρὸς τούτοισι ἔτι τελευτήσῃ τὸν βίον εὖ, οὗτος ἐκεῖνος τὸν σὺ ζητέεις, ὁ ὄλβιος κεκλῆσθαι ἄξιος ἐστί: πρὶν δ᾽ ἂν τελευτήσῃ, ἐπισχεῖν, μηδὲ καλέειν κω ὄλβιον ἀλλ᾽ εὐτυχέα." -- Seems like evidence we are within Mephisto? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephisto_(Marvel_Comics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephisto_(Marvel_Comics)
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        Compared to the play, in the GCU (Goethe Cinematic Universe) Mephistopheles' job is immensely complicated by the dual/dueling attractions Faust feels for not just Margarete-Julia, but also Felizia Harten. »je grösser die Kraft, desto grösser die Haft'« —not JGF (there is a potential epic comic arc here: what deal did MJ make, and with whom, to become the most powerful powerless Marvel character? [more powerful even than her creators!])

11 points by pseudolus 2y ago

unlisted7347 2y ago

If I have to eat bugs to save the world then it's not the world I wanna save. Come up with something else!

beardyw 2y ago
Have you tried them?
- unlisted7347 2y ago
  No, nor I want to. I know their meat actually tastes like other crustaceans. But I don't want to pretend it's just like crabmeat while ignoring crunchy chitin and organs. I'm fine with lab grown meat as long as it matches (or exceeds) nutrients of real meat. P.s. and doesn't have foul texture
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    > organs Not trying to convince of anything, just curious: why not organs? Many traditional food contains or are made of it: fois gras, small fried fish, gizzard, tongue pâté, sausage casing... A reason I ear often is it's disgusting or dirty. This trend contrasts with the diversity seen in other cultural areas like music, art, and sports. While resistance to change is understandable (neither do I like change), it’s puzzling why culinary exploration has narrowed. Contradiction disclaimer: 6 month ago I stopped eating 99% of animal products I used to, consequently my vegetable intake got much much more diverse.
foxyv 2y ago
The vegan police will arrive at your doorstep shortly. Leave the house slowly with your hands up. They will remove all meat and respectfully bury it with appropriate rites. In all seriousness though this is never going to happen. Bug protein is just a convenient way to explore a new food source. Especially for those who are currently experiencing malnutrition. FYI: If you have ever eaten crab, lobster, or crayfish you have in fact already eaten bugs. These types of food used to be reserved for criminals and it was seen as cruel and unusual punishment to feed them to people in some states.

h2odragon 2y ago

May 2024: https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/14-05-2024/eat-the-bugs-a-short-history-of-yet-another-global-conspiracy https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/14-05-2024/eat-the-bugs-a-s... Jul 2023: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/18/1188237695/this-right-wing-conspiracy-theory-about-eating-bugs-is-about-as-racist-as-you-th https://www.npr.org/2023/07/18/1188237695/this-right-wing-co...

sickofparadox 2y ago
Saying that it is "just an evil conspiracy theory" is always just a rhetorical a way to lump it in with plainly ridiculous things like flat earth and moon landing denialism. It is done to run cover for the patently obvious efforts to enforce an end goal from the other side by making alternatives either too expensive through regulation or just flat out illegal.

theandrewbailey 2y ago

"Eat the bugs. Drink the soylent. Get in the pod. Live in the metaverse. Own nothing. Be happy." I prefer the sad freedom out here, thanks!

mytailorisrich 2y ago

“I’m vegan aside from insects,” he says. “But there are also vegans that are vegan aside from bivalves like mussels and clams. And I would say that a larger portion of vegans are OK with eating insects and bivalves than you’d probably expect.” This sort of article reads like a parody of The Guardian except that The Guardian is not in on the joke and is being serious.

082349872349872 2y ago

there is no new thing under the sun; compare Leviticus 11:22

vinnyvichy 2y ago
"Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind" (Should listen to the elders!!) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Levi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Levi Also: Goethe discovered Hawking radiation! (Faust 1334-1336)
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  1350 even: "Ein Theil der Finsterniß, die sich das Licht gebar," Mephistopheles is large (1e35 lₚ?) enough to appear classical; if he has been Hawking Radiated, does that predict anything about the timescale of the ultimate evaporation of (good and) evil? May we thereby derive a prelude to a philosophy of the future? (is FWN's "Jenseits" his century's equivalent of the "post-singularity"?)
  - vinnyvichy 2y ago
    Not sure if blackholes have been agreed to be fundamental [Corpuscklese] (i.e. being the event-horizon-in-itself), but [my personal] intuition suggestively emits that Goethe, inserting the mediating entity, did the first verifiable produce. -- and is so become the first Undismal Scientist, the Undead Beholder (cf Herodotus, &c) Histories 1.32.7: "εἰ δὲ πρὸς τούτοισι ἔτι τελευτήσῃ τὸν βίον εὖ, οὗτος ἐκεῖνος τὸν σὺ ζητέεις, ὁ ὄλβιος κεκλῆσθαι ἄξιος ἐστί: πρὶν δ᾽ ἂν τελευτήσῃ, ἐπισχεῖν, μηδὲ καλέειν κω ὄλβιον ἀλλ᾽ εὐτυχέα." -- Seems like evidence we are within Mephisto? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephisto_(Marvel_Comics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephisto_(Marvel_Comics)
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Compared to the play, in the GCU (Goethe Cinematic Universe) Mephistopheles' job is immensely complicated by the dual/dueling attractions Faust feels for not just Margarete-Julia, but also Felizia Harten. »je grösser die Kraft, desto grösser die Haft'« —not JGF (there is a potential epic comic arc here: what deal did MJ make, and with whom, to become the most powerful powerless Marvel character? [more powerful even than her creators!])