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>Also: poor 2019 iMac. It’s a nice model but came out right before the Apple Silicon transition. It’s lifetime was never going to be what it could have been. I

>Also: poor 2019 iMac. It’s a nice model but came out right before the Apple Silicon transition. It’s lifetime was never going to be what it could have been. I find it interesting that seemingly every other vendor does their best to maintain backwards compatability or at least some support. Apple: Nope, go buy our new stuff $$$ :) Apple fans: okay :)

dialup_sounds 2y ago
That model is still supported by the current and next OS versions. In the end we're talking about having ~7 years of updates vs ~10. (Sent from my Intel NUC that stopped getting GPU drivers after a year.)
fredoliveira 2y ago
Appropriate username, but unfair take. I'll promptly admit my bias: I've been on macs as my daily driver for 20 years. But that's for a reason — the hardware is great, the software is good, and the support for old hardware is honestly amazing. I do lots and lots of hand-me-downs to parents, siblings, the spouse, and lots of those devices still work, with the latest OSes, years and years down the line. I have a friend that just replaced an old 13" Macbook that was 12 years old and working great. Find me a company that does that and is as good in terms of build quality and I'll be immediately interested.
- whyoh 2y ago
  >the support for old hardware is honestly amazing I disagree. As an example, Macs stuck on 11 (Big Sur) stopped getting updates in 2023.[1] That includes Macs released until ~2014-2015, which are still usable in terms of hardware.[2] I wouldn't call that amazing at all. [1]https://endoflife.date/macos https://endoflife.date/macos [2]https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260
  - BoredPositron 2y ago
    They did provide security updates even after eol same goes for the first iPhone SE which is over 10 years of now. For feature updates you might be right…
- talldayo 2y ago
  It's perfectly fair. When you live by the sword of proprietary and industry-unsupported protocols, you die by that sword as well. Apple products have faced this time and time again, with version updates killing 32-bit program support or pushing the OpenGL depreciation line. Because Apple doesn't have to compete on merits (as your comment points out), they just have to convince you to upgrade on a regular basis. Their routine depreciation and deliberate gimping of old hardware is evidence that Apple does not want you to keep using their devices once they tell you its time to stop.

dialup_sounds 2y ago

That model is still supported by the current and next OS versions. In the end we're talking about having ~7 years of updates vs ~10. (Sent from my Intel NUC that stopped getting GPU drivers after a year.)

fredoliveira 2y ago

Appropriate username, but unfair take. I'll promptly admit my bias: I've been on macs as my daily driver for 20 years. But that's for a reason — the hardware is great, the software is good, and the support for old hardware is honestly amazing. I do lots and lots of hand-me-downs to parents, siblings, the spouse, and lots of those devices still work, with the latest OSes, years and years down the line. I have a friend that just replaced an old 13" Macbook that was 12 years old and working great. Find me a company that does that and is as good in terms of build quality and I'll be immediately interested.

whyoh 2y ago
>the support for old hardware is honestly amazing I disagree. As an example, Macs stuck on 11 (Big Sur) stopped getting updates in 2023.[1] That includes Macs released until ~2014-2015, which are still usable in terms of hardware.[2] I wouldn't call that amazing at all. [1]https://endoflife.date/macos https://endoflife.date/macos [2]https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260 https://support.apple.com/en-us/103260
- BoredPositron 2y ago
  They did provide security updates even after eol same goes for the first iPhone SE which is over 10 years of now. For feature updates you might be right…
talldayo 2y ago
It's perfectly fair. When you live by the sword of proprietary and industry-unsupported protocols, you die by that sword as well. Apple products have faced this time and time again, with version updates killing 32-bit program support or pushing the OpenGL depreciation line. Because Apple doesn't have to compete on merits (as your comment points out), they just have to convince you to upgrade on a regular basis. Their routine depreciation and deliberate gimping of old hardware is evidence that Apple does not want you to keep using their devices once they tell you its time to stop.