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> The only truly immune people are those that don't understand the language and/or have no money. I have to disagree on that point. I have a no soliciting sign

> The only truly immune people are those that don't understand the language and/or have no money. I have to disagree on that point. I have a no soliciting sign. It is an IQ test - I don't do business with people who can't or won't read the sign. I used to work in sales and had to deal with rejection enough that I have absolutely no problem asking people if they can read the sign and closing the door in their face if they start to argue that what they are doing isn't "soliciting" for some technical reason.

behringer 2y ago
And yet if I showed up with exactly what you need in my hand at a reasonable price you wouldn't even think about the sign. The sign doesn't mean anything.
- vundercind 2y ago
  I would assume you’re screwing me and turn you down. If you’ve got enough margin to do sales that way, you’re screwing me, even if I can’t see it. It’s a no.
  - behringer 2y ago
    Everybody makes a margin, that's how the free market works. But let's say you're a communist and I show up with a compound and a few followers, I suspect we have a deal to discuss regardless of the sign ;)
    - vundercind 2y ago
      > enough margin
- copperroof 2y ago
  It’s wild to me people can say things like this so confidently. I’ve said no to everything my entire life. I don’t care what you’re offering, I’m already seething with rage that I have to talk to you. If I want something I’ll look for it same rules as avoiding phishing.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Really? If you're hungry and your coworker shows up with a pizza you just tell them to fuck off?
    - marcuskane2 2y ago
      :wave: Hey, the rest of the thread is over here. It looks like you moved the goalposts so far away you might be lost.
      - behringer 2y ago
        Not really, it's exactly my point. If you're a game collector and I show up with a game at a good price, that's a sale. If I pull into your driveway with the classic car you're looking for the sale is on the table. The sign means nothing, what matters is what you've got and how much it'll cost.
        lowdest 2y ago
        Those are very niche. How would you have known that's what I'm looking for? Sounds like groundwork for a larger crime. I'll say I'm busy but take your name and number and later do OSINT research on you to level the playing field. Why would I engage someone who knows where my family sleeps when I don't know where theirs sleeps?
        immibis 2y ago
        Successful cold callers research their customers beforehand to know what they want, and don't call people who probably aren't interested. If you're a game collector and I show up with a rare game, you're probably interested. Even if you don't buy it, at least I'm not wasting your time. If I show up with an Ethernet switch ASIC, you're probably not interested and I am wasting your time. That's why Marvell would cold-call Juniper and Cisco, not Antonio Romero Monteiro.
        2y ago
- tsimionescu 2y ago
  You could be offering hundred dollar bills for my garbage - I wouldn't even listen.
  - behringer 2y ago
    Everybody wants something and everybody has a price they'll pay for it.
    - tsimionescu 2y ago
      Not from random strangers soliciting it. The chance that they are going to scam you is much too high to trust anything they offer.
- kuschku 2y ago
  Even in such a situation – and that's actually happened before – I'd still say no and buy the product from a competitor, even if that means paying twice as much. Also, the last time a doctors without borders person showed up, I tried pressuring her into joining a local protest a few days later until she got uncomfortable and decided to leave. All types of forceful advertising – be that online ads or door-to-door salesmen – are absolute bullshit and shouldn't exist in a civilized society. My doorbell is labeled "no soliciting" for a reason.
- marcus0x62 2y ago
  Yes, it would mean something, and, yes, I would think about the sign. In fact, I did this about a month ago to someone who was selling a service I was actively in the market for. As I said, and I can only say this to you again, I can't understand it for you: the sign is an IQ test. I will not do business with someone who cannot or will not read the sign.

behringer 2y ago

And yet if I showed up with exactly what you need in my hand at a reasonable price you wouldn't even think about the sign. The sign doesn't mean anything.

vundercind 2y ago
I would assume you’re screwing me and turn you down. If you’ve got enough margin to do sales that way, you’re screwing me, even if I can’t see it. It’s a no.
- behringer 2y ago
  Everybody makes a margin, that's how the free market works. But let's say you're a communist and I show up with a compound and a few followers, I suspect we have a deal to discuss regardless of the sign ;)
  - vundercind 2y ago
    > enough margin
copperroof 2y ago
It’s wild to me people can say things like this so confidently. I’ve said no to everything my entire life. I don’t care what you’re offering, I’m already seething with rage that I have to talk to you. If I want something I’ll look for it same rules as avoiding phishing.
- immibis 2y ago
  Really? If you're hungry and your coworker shows up with a pizza you just tell them to fuck off?
  - marcuskane2 2y ago
    :wave: Hey, the rest of the thread is over here. It looks like you moved the goalposts so far away you might be lost.
    - behringer 2y ago
      Not really, it's exactly my point. If you're a game collector and I show up with a game at a good price, that's a sale. If I pull into your driveway with the classic car you're looking for the sale is on the table. The sign means nothing, what matters is what you've got and how much it'll cost.
      - lowdest 2y ago
        Those are very niche. How would you have known that's what I'm looking for? Sounds like groundwork for a larger crime. I'll say I'm busy but take your name and number and later do OSINT research on you to level the playing field. Why would I engage someone who knows where my family sleeps when I don't know where theirs sleeps?
        immibis 2y ago
        Successful cold callers research their customers beforehand to know what they want, and don't call people who probably aren't interested. If you're a game collector and I show up with a rare game, you're probably interested. Even if you don't buy it, at least I'm not wasting your time. If I show up with an Ethernet switch ASIC, you're probably not interested and I am wasting your time. That's why Marvell would cold-call Juniper and Cisco, not Antonio Romero Monteiro.
        2y ago
tsimionescu 2y ago
You could be offering hundred dollar bills for my garbage - I wouldn't even listen.
- behringer 2y ago
  Everybody wants something and everybody has a price they'll pay for it.
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    Not from random strangers soliciting it. The chance that they are going to scam you is much too high to trust anything they offer.
kuschku 2y ago
Even in such a situation – and that's actually happened before – I'd still say no and buy the product from a competitor, even if that means paying twice as much. Also, the last time a doctors without borders person showed up, I tried pressuring her into joining a local protest a few days later until she got uncomfortable and decided to leave. All types of forceful advertising – be that online ads or door-to-door salesmen – are absolute bullshit and shouldn't exist in a civilized society. My doorbell is labeled "no soliciting" for a reason.
marcus0x62 2y ago
Yes, it would mean something, and, yes, I would think about the sign. In fact, I did this about a month ago to someone who was selling a service I was actively in the market for. As I said, and I can only say this to you again, I can't understand it for you: the sign is an IQ test. I will not do business with someone who cannot or will not read the sign.