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This is false. Proton VPN's no logs policy has been proven in court and backed by third party audits: https://protonvpn.com/blog/no-logs-audit https://protonvpn
by protonvpn 2y ago
This is false. Proton VPN's no logs policy has been proven in court and backed by third party audits: https://protonvpn.com/blog/no-logs-audit https://protonvpn.com/blog/no-logs-audit
VPN is not classified as a communication tool in Switzerland and there are no existing Swiss laws that can compel us to log.
The Proton VPN Transparency Report & Warrant Canary is also still available at: https://protonvpn.com/blog/transparency-report https://protonvpn.com/blog/transparency-report
- alfalfasprout 2y agoProven in court is ultimately what I think most users really care about. Thanks for sharing this.
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- devwastaken 2y agoProtonvpn logged ips at the request of the Swiss government on behalf of the French government as a political favor. https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/6/22659861/protonmail-swiss-court-order-french-climate-activist-arrest-identification https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/6/22659861/protonmail-swiss-... Protonvpn does log data and does hand it over. It doesn't matter if they "had to" (they can fight) You can't put the genie back in the bottle.
- netsharc 2y agoDo you even read your own source? Even the truncated URL says Protonmail... a search for "VPN" in that article comes with "Yen said a similar order would also not be able to provide ProtonVPN metadata, as VPNs are subject to different requirements under Swiss law." Sure you can refuse to believe the company's statement, but your comment is based on your (maybe deliberate, conveniently) misunderstanding of mail vs VPN...
- devwastaken 2y agoProtonvpn is protonmail. They're the same company. They choose to operate in a way that allows user IP's to be given for arbitrary political reasons. They will do it with VPN too if they're "requested".
- MrSkelter 2y agoYou appear to misunderstand the discussion. Under Swiss law Email is communication which is subject to a VPN which is not classified as a communications medium and subject to different laws. There is no way a legitimate company can insulate itself from legal compulsion. However a legitimate security company can do everything within the law to protect users. Proton does this and has been legally tested.
- devwastaken 2y ago[flagged]
- netsharc 2y agoDear Protonvpn, please listen to this guy, he knows everything! /s Either you operate within the boundaries of a country's laws, or you try to be lawless and hide. A VPN provider hiding from the law, gee, what basis do you have to trust them, if they can also lie and hide stuff from their users?
- wil421 2y agoHow do we know this isn’t another CIA/Swiss front? Just like Crypto AG. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51467536.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51467536.amp Some of us also remember Hushmail. https://www.wired.com/2007/11/encrypted-e-mai/ https://www.wired.com/2007/11/encrypted-e-mai/
- grigio 2y agoPeople have too short memory to remember this
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- protonvpn 2y agoThere is no comparison between Crypto AG and us. Our encryption occurs client-side and our cryptographic code is open source and backed by third-party audits: https://proton.me/community/open-source https://proton.me/community/open-source
- ranger_danger 2y agoOne thing that might put others at ease is having a way for client-side code to NOT be automatically updated, as some view this as a type of backdoor or method that malicious code might be injected without being noticed, even if unintentional.
- ranger_danger 2y agoDo you really expect anyone to be able to answer this? How would anyone ever know before it's too late? Nobody would use it if they knew, and they know that too.
- ranger_danger 2y agoThere is an unanswered bug report from March that suggests Stealth is not working in Russia: https://github.com/ProtonVPN/android-app/issues/130 https://github.com/ProtonVPN/android-app/issues/130