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Cities tend to have a lower per-capita crime rate, it's just dense and visible. This is just suburban paranoia. Crime happens.

smsm42 2y ago
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willmadden 2y ago
No, it's not just suburban paranoia. Travel to Tokyo or Singapore and then to S.F.
- FredPret 2y ago
  We recently spent a month in Tokyo. It is ridiculously safe and law-abiding. I'm surprised they have any crime at all. In our entire time there, I saw one (1) individual piece of small rubbish on the street.
  - sneak 2y ago
    Tokyo is not safe. People who are arrested for suspicion of crimes are held for weeks by the police and threatened and beaten and tortured until they confess, even if they are innocent. The police then release them for 24 hours and rearrest them on a different charge so the two month holding timer resets. People there have been held for months in solitary confinement (torture past a few days, per the UN) awaiting trial only to be found innocent and released. As a foreigner, good luck if a Japanese person calls the police on you and accuses you of something. You’re looking at 40+ days of beatings and torture as the police will of course believe natives over tourists.
    - rangestransform 2y ago
      well that just shows that to japanese people, even kangaroo courts are better than crime
- MSFT_Edging 2y ago
  Spent a week walking around SF and saw no crime. It felt extremely safe. Big tech made SF unaffordable and then loves to complain about the poverty left in it's wake. I don't care if tech workers feel uncomfortable in SF. SF was rapidly gentrified to the point of mass homelessness, now they want to legislate a way to remove the homeless people that were made impoverished. I will never care/empathize with a hackernews poster complaining about crime in the Bay Area. You moved there, you demanded luxury, you demanded space for the luxury, you pushed the existing population out.
Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
I think it's reasonable to measure crime in terms of crimes per area, rather than crimes per capita, especially when comparing suburban to urban.
- etchalon 2y ago
  I don't see how that's reasonable. What I'm interested in is how likely crime is to happen to me, personally, not how likely any given crime will happen in some radius to me.
  - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
    You really don't see how that's reasonable? People want to feel safe. Having high crime nearby makes people feel unsafe, even if it's just drug dealers and gangs beefing with each other that likely don't care about you.
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    - etchalon 2y ago
      By that logic, it would be reasonable for the government to outlaw the reporting of crime, as people would "feel" safer.
      - FredPret 2y ago
        That's the worst possible interpretation of what that comment said. - If there's a shooting 100ft from me, I don't care if it gets reported or not. I'm worried about getting in the crossfire. - On the other hand, if there's a shooting 10 miles from me, I'm safe. So it's perfectly logical to want to live in the second situation and avoid the first. Per-capita statistics mask the effects of the first and make the second look worse. The best thing to do is to use per-capita stats when judging your likelihood of being a victim, and per-area stats when judging your likelihood of being near a crime. Most people want to minimize both, and you shitting on them for it is bizarre.
spiderice 2y ago
According to who? Do you have a source? Top violent crime rate per capita US cities [1]: 1. St. Louis 2. Detroit 3. Baltimore 4. Memphis 5. Kansas City If we include all crime and not just violent crime, it’s still all large cities at the top. Not sure where you’re getting your info. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities...
- warkdarrior 2y ago
  That list is of the 100 most populous cities in US, so by definition it does not include mid/small cities, towns, and villages.
- MSFT_Edging 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... Per capita, smaller cities are outstanding in their crime. Even Baltimore is down in 51st place. This list is incomplete to boot. Large cities often called "war zone" by culture war fighters are largely safer than being in a small town.
- 91bananas 2y ago
  St. Louis is sketchy AF but it's hardly a large city, relative to actual large cities.

smsm42 2y ago

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willmadden 2y ago

No, it's not just suburban paranoia. Travel to Tokyo or Singapore and then to S.F.

FredPret 2y ago
We recently spent a month in Tokyo. It is ridiculously safe and law-abiding. I'm surprised they have any crime at all. In our entire time there, I saw one (1) individual piece of small rubbish on the street.
- sneak 2y ago
  Tokyo is not safe. People who are arrested for suspicion of crimes are held for weeks by the police and threatened and beaten and tortured until they confess, even if they are innocent. The police then release them for 24 hours and rearrest them on a different charge so the two month holding timer resets. People there have been held for months in solitary confinement (torture past a few days, per the UN) awaiting trial only to be found innocent and released. As a foreigner, good luck if a Japanese person calls the police on you and accuses you of something. You’re looking at 40+ days of beatings and torture as the police will of course believe natives over tourists.
  - rangestransform 2y ago
    well that just shows that to japanese people, even kangaroo courts are better than crime
MSFT_Edging 2y ago
Spent a week walking around SF and saw no crime. It felt extremely safe. Big tech made SF unaffordable and then loves to complain about the poverty left in it's wake. I don't care if tech workers feel uncomfortable in SF. SF was rapidly gentrified to the point of mass homelessness, now they want to legislate a way to remove the homeless people that were made impoverished. I will never care/empathize with a hackernews poster complaining about crime in the Bay Area. You moved there, you demanded luxury, you demanded space for the luxury, you pushed the existing population out.

Sohcahtoa82 2y ago

I think it's reasonable to measure crime in terms of crimes per area, rather than crimes per capita, especially when comparing suburban to urban.

etchalon 2y ago
I don't see how that's reasonable. What I'm interested in is how likely crime is to happen to me, personally, not how likely any given crime will happen in some radius to me.
- Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
  You really don't see how that's reasonable? People want to feel safe. Having high crime nearby makes people feel unsafe, even if it's just drug dealers and gangs beefing with each other that likely don't care about you.
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  - etchalon 2y ago
    By that logic, it would be reasonable for the government to outlaw the reporting of crime, as people would "feel" safer.
    - FredPret 2y ago
      That's the worst possible interpretation of what that comment said. - If there's a shooting 100ft from me, I don't care if it gets reported or not. I'm worried about getting in the crossfire. - On the other hand, if there's a shooting 10 miles from me, I'm safe. So it's perfectly logical to want to live in the second situation and avoid the first. Per-capita statistics mask the effects of the first and make the second look worse. The best thing to do is to use per-capita stats when judging your likelihood of being a victim, and per-area stats when judging your likelihood of being near a crime. Most people want to minimize both, and you shitting on them for it is bizarre.

spiderice 2y ago

According to who? Do you have a source? Top violent crime rate per capita US cities [1]: 1. St. Louis 2. Detroit 3. Baltimore 4. Memphis 5. Kansas City If we include all crime and not just violent crime, it’s still all large cities at the top. Not sure where you’re getting your info. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities...

warkdarrior 2y ago
That list is of the 100 most populous cities in US, so by definition it does not include mid/small cities, towns, and villages.
MSFT_Edging 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... Per capita, smaller cities are outstanding in their crime. Even Baltimore is down in 51st place. This list is incomplete to boot. Large cities often called "war zone" by culture war fighters are largely safer than being in a small town.
91bananas 2y ago
St. Louis is sketchy AF but it's hardly a large city, relative to actual large cities.