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i concur. I think a lot of this is just sound business acumen. Twit-er...X, isnt raking in cash like it used to. Musks changes like reinstating hate speech a

i concur. I think a lot of this is just sound business acumen. Twit-er...X, isnt raking in cash like it used to. Musks changes like reinstating hate speech accounts and the blue check fiasco had a direct negative effect on advertising revenue and accelerated already downward subscriber trends. Leaning out the physical side of the already agile digital side was a good idea im not sure twitters old guard would have considered. San Francisco has seen a talent exodus after the global pandemic. no senior SRE with 20 years of experience --whos also made to show up to the office five days a week-- is going to entertain San Francisco's traffic, crime, homelessness, or general congestion for even a minute.

wisconsiway 2y ago
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- jrflowers 2y ago
  “You mentioned that bringing back nazis killed the site but curiously you did not at any point in any way imply that it is the world’s biggest platform… The argument you’re making solely in my head isn’t very consistent!”
  - LAC-Tech 2y ago
    Are the nazis here in the room with us, right now?
    - wizzwizz4 2y ago
      If they are, they're quiet about it. Dang tends to shadow/ban them when they go much further than "IQ isn't racist: some races are just better".
    - jrflowers 2y ago
      This isn’t Twitter. This is a different website.
      - LAC-Tech 2y ago
        I find the word almost always reflects more poorly on the accuser than the accusee. Just a near meaningless curse word used with very little care or accuracy.
        deleted 2y ago
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        jrflowers 2y ago
        I find posting an old meme reflexively upon seeing the word “nazi” to be kind of odd. It is not clear what being able to ctrl-c ctrl-v an epic dunk accomplishes https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/is-x-in-the-room-with-us-right-now https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/is-x-in-the-room-with-us-righ...
        LAC-Tech 2y ago
        IME political exteremists and generally unhappy people like to spam the word. It's also very much intended to get a reaction, isn't it? Sort of like a swear word for lefties.
        jrflowers 2y ago
        I would imagine that people that are not extremists or lefties are comfortable calling e.g. Richard Spencer[0][1] a nazi, or self-proclaimed white nationalist Nick Fuentes[2][3] one. There is a very small but very vocal subset of posters that would take this opportunity to weigh in on the latter as being mislabeled, though I have not taken up previous suggestions to deeply familiarize myself with his writings in order to disabuse myself of some perceived error in judgment. I tend to keep scrolling when I see someone use a word in a way that I disagree with. In the case that I do feel compelled to correct someone I certainly don’t see the value in copy/pasting a vague insult about their sanity. That is, to me, a genuinely strange decision to make given so little stimulus. 0 https://x.com/RichardBSpencer https://x.com/RichardBSpencer 1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer 2 https://x.com/NickJFuentes https://x.com/NickJFuentes 3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
    - albedoa 2y ago
      It is not clear that you understand the comment you are replying to.
  - wisconsiway 2y ago
    It's a distillation of site-wide sentiment exemplified by your comment in one particular dimension.
    - jrflowers 2y ago
      I see. It is a response to an adept amalgamation of what was posted and could maybe have been posted but was not posted. This method of mixing real and theoretical posts makes sense when we introduce a dimensionality of posts that includes both observed and observab-
jacobolus 2y ago
Musk Twitter stopped paying office rent a long time ago. I can only assume they finally couldn't keep doing that without getting evicted.
- mjcohen 2y ago
  Musk has been following his hero Trump in not paying those he owes money to. So now X stands for shmuck.
groby_b 2y ago
fwiw, hiring senior talent in SF works just fine. If you pay at the right pricing tier. SF is a decent city. It could definitely do better, it has issues, but if we all could stop pretending it's a post apocalyptic hellscape, that'd be nice. Yes, you pay an SF premium. You pay a premium for most major cities, and the worse housing is, the higher the premium. But I'd bet moving to the South Bay isn't happening for that reason. SF pricing has a halo effect on the South Bay, and your savings will be minimal, if any. (I see little differences in South Bay and SF salaries, for larger companies) What I'd wager precipitated the move is SF rents are stupidly high , and then you combine that with half the twitter offices being empty. If you believe loopt, San Jose office space is ~ half the cost of SF. Half the space, at half again cost - their real estate bill shrinks by 75%. And given that Twitters bill is likely ~$40M-50M/month, that's a good chunk of savings.
- nostrademons 2y ago
  South Bay & Peninsula housing is actually more expensive than SF, though you do get a bit more for your money. Compensation is often marginally higher as well, though most companies with offices in both have them in the same salary band.
  - hintymad 2y ago
    For senior engineers, I'd say opportunities weigh more than the difference in salary or even in overall package, unless the package correlates with the opportunities. I may complain about commute, but I'd still be happy to join an exciting startup in the city.
  - throwaway2037 2y ago
    > South Bay & Peninsula housing is actually more expensive than SF Per square foot/meter? I find this hard to believe.
    - rconti 2y ago
      I mean, obviously it depends on what city you choose, but given that the article is specifically about X moving to Palo Alto.... San Francisco is $957/sqft median listing price [1] Palo Alto is $1800/sqft median listing price. [2] Hell, I live in Redwood City and the median is $996/sqft. 1. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/San-Francisco_CA/overview https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/San-Franci... 2. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Palo-Alto_CA/overview https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Palo-Alto_...

wisconsiway 2y ago

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jrflowers 2y ago
“You mentioned that bringing back nazis killed the site but curiously you did not at any point in any way imply that it is the world’s biggest platform… The argument you’re making solely in my head isn’t very consistent!”
- LAC-Tech 2y ago
  Are the nazis here in the room with us, right now?
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    If they are, they're quiet about it. Dang tends to shadow/ban them when they go much further than "IQ isn't racist: some races are just better".
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    This isn’t Twitter. This is a different website.
    - LAC-Tech 2y ago
      I find the word almost always reflects more poorly on the accuser than the accusee. Just a near meaningless curse word used with very little care or accuracy.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
      - jrflowers 2y ago
        I find posting an old meme reflexively upon seeing the word “nazi” to be kind of odd. It is not clear what being able to ctrl-c ctrl-v an epic dunk accomplishes https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/is-x-in-the-room-with-us-right-now https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/is-x-in-the-room-with-us-righ...
        LAC-Tech 2y ago
        IME political exteremists and generally unhappy people like to spam the word. It's also very much intended to get a reaction, isn't it? Sort of like a swear word for lefties.
        jrflowers 2y ago
        I would imagine that people that are not extremists or lefties are comfortable calling e.g. Richard Spencer[0][1] a nazi, or self-proclaimed white nationalist Nick Fuentes[2][3] one. There is a very small but very vocal subset of posters that would take this opportunity to weigh in on the latter as being mislabeled, though I have not taken up previous suggestions to deeply familiarize myself with his writings in order to disabuse myself of some perceived error in judgment. I tend to keep scrolling when I see someone use a word in a way that I disagree with. In the case that I do feel compelled to correct someone I certainly don’t see the value in copy/pasting a vague insult about their sanity. That is, to me, a genuinely strange decision to make given so little stimulus. 0 https://x.com/RichardBSpencer https://x.com/RichardBSpencer 1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Spencer 2 https://x.com/NickJFuentes https://x.com/NickJFuentes 3 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Fuentes
  - albedoa 2y ago
    It is not clear that you understand the comment you are replying to.
- wisconsiway 2y ago
  It's a distillation of site-wide sentiment exemplified by your comment in one particular dimension.
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    I see. It is a response to an adept amalgamation of what was posted and could maybe have been posted but was not posted. This method of mixing real and theoretical posts makes sense when we introduce a dimensionality of posts that includes both observed and observab-

jacobolus 2y ago

Musk Twitter stopped paying office rent a long time ago. I can only assume they finally couldn't keep doing that without getting evicted.

mjcohen 2y ago
Musk has been following his hero Trump in not paying those he owes money to. So now X stands for shmuck.

groby_b 2y ago

fwiw, hiring senior talent in SF works just fine. If you pay at the right pricing tier. SF is a decent city. It could definitely do better, it has issues, but if we all could stop pretending it's a post apocalyptic hellscape, that'd be nice. Yes, you pay an SF premium. You pay a premium for most major cities, and the worse housing is, the higher the premium. But I'd bet moving to the South Bay isn't happening for that reason. SF pricing has a halo effect on the South Bay, and your savings will be minimal, if any. (I see little differences in South Bay and SF salaries, for larger companies) What I'd wager precipitated the move is SF rents are stupidly high , and then you combine that with half the twitter offices being empty. If you believe loopt, San Jose office space is ~ half the cost of SF. Half the space, at half again cost - their real estate bill shrinks by 75%. And given that Twitters bill is likely ~$40M-50M/month, that's a good chunk of savings.

nostrademons 2y ago
South Bay & Peninsula housing is actually more expensive than SF, though you do get a bit more for your money. Compensation is often marginally higher as well, though most companies with offices in both have them in the same salary band.
- hintymad 2y ago
  For senior engineers, I'd say opportunities weigh more than the difference in salary or even in overall package, unless the package correlates with the opportunities. I may complain about commute, but I'd still be happy to join an exciting startup in the city.
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  > South Bay & Peninsula housing is actually more expensive than SF Per square foot/meter? I find this hard to believe.
  - rconti 2y ago
    I mean, obviously it depends on what city you choose, but given that the article is specifically about X moving to Palo Alto.... San Francisco is $957/sqft median listing price [1] Palo Alto is $1800/sqft median listing price. [2] Hell, I live in Redwood City and the median is $996/sqft. 1. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/San-Francisco_CA/overview https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/San-Franci... 2. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Palo-Alto_CA/overview https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Palo-Alto_...