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Does it use WebRTC? The last time I've looked at this - and what stopped me from releasing a more polished MVP of the same low impact continuous meeting-not-a-m

Does it use WebRTC? The last time I've looked at this - and what stopped me from releasing a more polished MVP of the same low impact continuous meeting-not-a-meeting concept - is that the only way to scale WebRTC is to use your own paid infrastructure. The only peer to peer topology available WebRTC clients support is a star, so without a multiplexing server you are practically limited to a handful of peers in any session. So you are either offering a slow and very limited free service, or you need to pay hand over fist and burn venture capital to basically compete with Zoom and WebRTC. Slowing the video stream to very low FPS does help somewhat with scaling, but makes for a niche product. If you can crack P2P multiplexing and offer an unlimited free service, and tack on some fremium model on that, that this thing can take off like a rocketship, if for no other reason that every team leader in the world wants a continuous feed of their remote worker's desktop. A free and capable screen sharing app can become THE tool for collaboration, disrupting things like Slack if the right features are there. I'm seriously interested to cofound something like that, let me know if anything I've said makes sense to you.

walterbell 2y ago
> every team leader in the world wants a continuous feed of their remote worker's desktop. "every" -- why? Do high-performance teams have low or high trust?
- cornholio 2y ago
  I'm not sure what you are arguing here: that low performance teams do not exist, or that they do not need to be managed, or that we should provide free educational resources to their managers instead of selling them the tools they want? It's a real problem real companies face, look at r/overemployed for a taste.
  - chfritz 2y ago
    Would YOU like to work with your manager looking over your shoulder at all times? A good manager builds trust, rather than needing to rely on control.
    - cornholio 2y ago
      Again, it's not clear to me if we're talking about the positive or the normative, descriptive or prescriptive, the way things are right now, or the way they should be in an ideal world.
cropcirclbureau 2y ago
Ah, yes, consistent spying on workers to make managers feel better. How about you feed each frame to an LLM for AI powered productivity monitoring? How about you incorporate web cam for next gen AR AI companionship? How about you make it customizable so that managers can easily roll out and maintain appropriate cultural practices? Studies show synchronized boot clicking, twice daily, can foster excellent dedication and energy to the improtant taskd at hand. Zillion dollar idea buddy.
burkaman 2y ago
Please do not do this. The product you're describing would make the world a significantly worse place.
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 2y ago
  The market would punish you too.
pjc50 2y ago
> if for no other reason that every team leader in the world wants a continuous feed of their remote worker's desktop ahem GDPR? Besides, that's absolutely the sort of enterpriseware that should be charged for.
- cornholio 2y ago
  Not relevant in the context of an employer provided machine that is used only for work related colab and the employee is aware of it. You can charge for the enterprise features (and get the resources to develop them in the first place) after you reach a critical mass of users.
  - wasmitnetzen 2y ago
    Controlling your employees' day like that is still not allowed in a lot of places with strong worker rights.
    - cornholio 2y ago
      We're talking about a collaboration tool here, and there is no jurisdiction that I know of where employing such tools, even when mandated by the employer, is unlawful; definitely not related to GDPR which is completely out of scope here. Of course, as any tool can be used for bad things, so if, say, instead of the default sharing of just the development apps, the employee shares his browser, email client or instant messenger which he uses for personal purposes, you could argue it crosses the line into unlawful workplace surveillance, so it becomes a matter of setting correct policies. Sounds to me like an enterprise feature set you could charge for, as complement to the free tier.
      - martinsnow 2y ago
        As soon as private information (e.g. an email) is opened on that machine, you're in violation of workers rights and gdpr.
        2y ago
lastiteration 2y ago
"every team leader in the world wants a continuous feed of their remote worker's desktop" ..talk about micromanaging

walterbell 2y ago

> every team leader in the world wants a continuous feed of their remote worker's desktop. "every" -- why? Do high-performance teams have low or high trust?

cornholio 2y ago
I'm not sure what you are arguing here: that low performance teams do not exist, or that they do not need to be managed, or that we should provide free educational resources to their managers instead of selling them the tools they want? It's a real problem real companies face, look at r/overemployed for a taste.
- chfritz 2y ago
  Would YOU like to work with your manager looking over your shoulder at all times? A good manager builds trust, rather than needing to rely on control.
  - cornholio 2y ago
    Again, it's not clear to me if we're talking about the positive or the normative, descriptive or prescriptive, the way things are right now, or the way they should be in an ideal world.

cropcirclbureau 2y ago

Ah, yes, consistent spying on workers to make managers feel better. How about you feed each frame to an LLM for AI powered productivity monitoring? How about you incorporate web cam for next gen AR AI companionship? How about you make it customizable so that managers can easily roll out and maintain appropriate cultural practices? Studies show synchronized boot clicking, twice daily, can foster excellent dedication and energy to the improtant taskd at hand. Zillion dollar idea buddy.

burkaman 2y ago

Please do not do this. The product you're describing would make the world a significantly worse place.

0xdeadbeefbabe 2y ago
The market would punish you too.

pjc50 2y ago

> if for no other reason that every team leader in the world wants a continuous feed of their remote worker's desktop ahem GDPR? Besides, that's absolutely the sort of enterpriseware that should be charged for.

cornholio 2y ago
Not relevant in the context of an employer provided machine that is used only for work related colab and the employee is aware of it. You can charge for the enterprise features (and get the resources to develop them in the first place) after you reach a critical mass of users.
- wasmitnetzen 2y ago
  Controlling your employees' day like that is still not allowed in a lot of places with strong worker rights.
  - cornholio 2y ago
    We're talking about a collaboration tool here, and there is no jurisdiction that I know of where employing such tools, even when mandated by the employer, is unlawful; definitely not related to GDPR which is completely out of scope here. Of course, as any tool can be used for bad things, so if, say, instead of the default sharing of just the development apps, the employee shares his browser, email client or instant messenger which he uses for personal purposes, you could argue it crosses the line into unlawful workplace surveillance, so it becomes a matter of setting correct policies. Sounds to me like an enterprise feature set you could charge for, as complement to the free tier.
    - martinsnow 2y ago
      As soon as private information (e.g. an email) is opened on that machine, you're in violation of workers rights and gdpr.
      - 2y ago

lastiteration 2y ago

"every team leader in the world wants a continuous feed of their remote worker's desktop" ..talk about micromanaging