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My first week working in a finance firm in midtown Manhattan there was a significant shooting. These things happen everywhere (edit: in the US) unfortunately. I
by aqme28 2y ago
My first week working in a finance firm in midtown Manhattan there was a significant shooting. These things happen everywhere (edit: in the US) unfortunately. I'm not convinced that a more suburban location that forces people to drive would actually be any safer.
- lokar 2y agoYou really need to normalize crime rates by population (including commuters) and avoid focusing on anecdotes
- aqme28 2y agoNo, my point was that you would also want to factor in injury rates from commuting, which tend to dwarf crime rates.
- some-guy 2y agoJust another anecdote but I concur with you--10 years of commuting experience in the Bay Area tells me that the most likely bodily harm I will experience is behind the wheel on the freeway, not from homeless / mentally-ill people wandering the streets. I have been involved in two car accidents on 580 (not at fault) but zero bodily harm on BART.
- SirMaster 2y agoWhy would an individual living and working around some area care about the crime per population? I would personally care way more about the crime density like per mile or something because that is what would actually be affecting me. Like how many crimes would happen in close proximity to me that could put me in potential danger. I couldn't care less about the crime per population.
- aqme28 2y agoThis doesnt make sense. You care about "per population" because you are 1 out of the population. You don't care about per square mile because you are not measured in square miles, you are measured in people (1).
- SirMaster 2y agoWhy should crime proximity to my location be completely ignored? If the crime is higher per person, but the crimes are several miles away then why would that be a problem for me? Compared to lower crimes per person, but the crimes are happening on my street. If the crimes are happening closer to me I'm more likely to be affected by it in some way.
- aqme28 2y agoThis is backwards. Higher rate per person means it is literally more likely to happen to you. High rate per area but low rate per person means I guess that you're more likely to be a witness. Low rate per area but high rate per person means you're likely to be a victim.
- SirMaster 2y agoI am not only concerned about being a victim though. I don't want to be anywhere near it. I think I should be allowed to have that kind of a desire and preference. I also think that whether or not you end up being a victim has a lot more to do than simply crimes per person. I don't think whether you end up a victim is evenly distributed to every single person. I think that the way you live and act and guard against things can affect your personal chances differently and that physical proximity can end up playing a role.
- smsm42 2y agoIf by "everywhere" you mean "major megapolises with crime problems", then yes, everywhere. Otherwise, no, not everywhere, and yes, in a suburban location a chance of a shooting happening under your very office window is extremely low. Living/working in a megapolis has its advantages, but let's not paint over its downsides also. Criminals want the same advantages too.
- aqme28 2y agoYou're right of course, but it's sort of meaningless. I live in Germany where there isn't nearly as much gun crime, but Musk isn't about to move Twitter to Germany.
- willmadden 2y agoDon't your police regularly jail people for non-violent speech? I don't see Musk moving to Germany.
- TurboTveit 2y agoIf by non-violent speech you mean roman salutes or nazi quotes, yes.
- rightbyte 2y agoIt is more or less enough to in public say why you don't support Likud nowadays to be arrested in Germany.
- jeromegv 2y agoThey jail people for antisemitic and nazi speech, if for you this is "non-violent", I have a history lesson on 1939-1945 to show you.
- willmadden 2y agoI saw a video of a German activist being hauled off by the police for giving a seminar about censorship the other day. Your country controls speech through force. Like I said, it's highly unlikely Musk would move anything to your country.
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- tarsinge 2y agoNot "everywhere", as an European that grew up in a big city (Paris) that's unthinkable.
- fantasybuilder 2y agoThat's a really surprising example. Paris has nearly identical crime level to San Francisco. From personal experience, I did not feel particularly safe in Paris when visiting (compared to e.g. Berlin). Moreover, Paris has several neighborhoods and suburbs that are very unsafe and most people avoid going there. One could say Tenderloin in SF has a similar reputation, but it's very small and easy to avoid.
- misja111 2y agoI think OP was referring to shootings. In France, as in most of Europe, it's not trivial to get access to guns. So the risk of getting shot in Paris is small, but of course you still might get stabbed.
- tarsinge 2y agoI was talking only about shootings. But if we are comparing anecdotes regarding your example I happened to also live in one of these unsafe suburbs, and visiting LA, SF or Chicago and getting in the wrong neighborhood seemed order of magnitude less safe. Gangs are not armed, you don’t hear gunshots at night or people screaming in the city center, and you don’t encounter aggressive drug addicts. All of this never happened to me in decades in Paris but did in one trip to the these US cities.
- WheatMillington 2y agoI have lived 39 years here in New Zealand and have never witnessed or been near a shooting. I'm not saying shootings have never happened in New Zealand, but the idea that these things "happen everywhere" is asinine.
- etchalon 2y agoIt's just a very American-centric sentiment, because here in the states, that's true.
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- fantasybuilder 2y agoSan Francisco has nearly 8 times higher population density than Auckland. Add to that other factors like the size of the CA economy (wealth attracts crime), a lax criminal system, attractive social services (compared to the rest of the US), etc etc. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
- amrocha 2y agoWe both know it’s none of those things, it’s access to guns
- fantasybuilder 2y agoNon-gun crime is a bigger concern in SF than gun-related violence.
- amrocha 2y agoThis comment thread is about gun violence
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- StressedDev 2y agoThis is not typical in the US. I have never heard or seen a gun shot fired while someone committed a crime.