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to me this stuff is one more sign of transitioning to a low trust society, and all the downsides that come with it

monero-xmr 2y ago
A high trust society would be re-established if basic stuff like theft was prosecuted and children didn’t have to walk over drooling zombie drug addicts on their way to school
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  NYC is one of the safest cities in the country.
  - monero-xmr 2y ago
    And if you don't care about shoplifting, then expect all of the stores to lock up their goods, or close outright
  - AlbertCory 2y ago
    Thanks to Giuliani and Bloomberg, but the progressives are busily undoing everything they did. Wait 5 years.
  - pclmulqdq 2y ago
    That's what a biased set of statistics says. In reality, NYC residents rarely bother to report crime (they know the police will do nothing), so it doesn't show up in the statistics. In those "dangerous" small towns, every single crime gets reported.
- dml2135 2y ago
  A large part of it is the transition from small local businesses to faceless corporate chains. I care if my local, family-run pharmacy gets robbed. If someone steals from some corporate behemoth, one that treats me like a criminal regardless of whether I steal from them or not, well, what do I care?
  - monero-xmr 2y ago
    That's the exact problem. You only seem to care about property rights if the direct owner is your neighbor. I simply find stealing to be wrong. The societal restrictions and penalties on theft are ancient. If can't all agree that stealing is wrong, what hope does society have
  - steveBK123 2y ago
    Selective enforcement of law based on moral preferences leads to bad places. What if its a local owner but you met the guy and think he is a jerk? What if he votes differently than you like? Do you think the various groups committing robbery care who owns the store, and if so, care in the same way as you? Would they stop if the pharmacy became locally owned? Would they give up shoplifting if there were no big box stores nearby?
    - underlipton 2y ago
      >Selective enforcement of law based on moral preferences leads to bad places. Maybe go after wage theft and employment discrimination? It's strange to me that people think that the source of "low trust" is the people with rather less power in society, versus the people with more. Most people begin life more than willing to trust. It's when someone who is supposed to be looking out for them betrays that trust that they become embittered.
      - steveBK123 2y ago
        Go after those too, yes! That's the idea.
      - monero-xmr 2y ago
        It's strange that your immediate reaction to "I don't think some retail stores pay their employees enough" is to then decide "Everyone should be able to steal from those stores without penalty"
        dml2135 2y ago

A high trust society would be re-established if basic stuff like theft was prosecuted and children didn’t have to walk over drooling zombie drug addicts on their way to school

HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
NYC is one of the safest cities in the country.
- monero-xmr 2y ago
  And if you don't care about shoplifting, then expect all of the stores to lock up their goods, or close outright
- AlbertCory 2y ago
  Thanks to Giuliani and Bloomberg, but the progressives are busily undoing everything they did. Wait 5 years.
- pclmulqdq 2y ago
  That's what a biased set of statistics says. In reality, NYC residents rarely bother to report crime (they know the police will do nothing), so it doesn't show up in the statistics. In those "dangerous" small towns, every single crime gets reported.
dml2135 2y ago
A large part of it is the transition from small local businesses to faceless corporate chains. I care if my local, family-run pharmacy gets robbed. If someone steals from some corporate behemoth, one that treats me like a criminal regardless of whether I steal from them or not, well, what do I care?
- monero-xmr 2y ago
  That's the exact problem. You only seem to care about property rights if the direct owner is your neighbor. I simply find stealing to be wrong. The societal restrictions and penalties on theft are ancient. If can't all agree that stealing is wrong, what hope does society have
- steveBK123 2y ago
  Selective enforcement of law based on moral preferences leads to bad places. What if its a local owner but you met the guy and think he is a jerk? What if he votes differently than you like? Do you think the various groups committing robbery care who owns the store, and if so, care in the same way as you? Would they stop if the pharmacy became locally owned? Would they give up shoplifting if there were no big box stores nearby?
  - underlipton 2y ago
    >Selective enforcement of law based on moral preferences leads to bad places. Maybe go after wage theft and employment discrimination? It's strange to me that people think that the source of "low trust" is the people with rather less power in society, versus the people with more. Most people begin life more than willing to trust. It's when someone who is supposed to be looking out for them betrays that trust that they become embittered.
    - steveBK123 2y ago
      Go after those too, yes! That's the idea.
    - monero-xmr 2y ago
      It's strange that your immediate reaction to "I don't think some retail stores pay their employees enough" is to then decide "Everyone should be able to steal from those stores without penalty"
      - dml2135 2y ago