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NHS soup and shake diet can beat type 2 diabetes

8 points by nabla9 2y ago

enjoyyourlife 2y ago
Can simply losing weight beat type 2 diabetes? What is special about this diet?
- nabla9 2y ago
  It's a "very low-energy diet". You need to restrict calorie intake significantly for 3 month period for metabolism to change for the desired result. Many people could not finish the program.
- ghufran_syed 2y ago
  yes, its the weight loss that can reverse the diabetes, not the specific diet
  - nabla9 2y ago
    So far research shows remission is from very low calorie diets, not from weight loss in general. Weight helps to treat symptoms and has huge health benefits even without remission.
- cbhl 2y ago
  My impression is that the default recommendation from the literature is "Mediterranean diet with counseling from a certified nutritionist" and evidence of any other diet that works would help expand options for folks with pre-diabetes.
  - jerlam 2y ago
    What I find interesting and different about this diet is that it's a total replacement of your existing diet. It doesn't involve calorie counting, food pyramids, or vague suggestions to eat "more vegetables", "healthy oils", or "less snacks". I assume that you get a box in the mail with your food, marked for specific meals, and you can only eat what's in the box and nothing else. There is no deviation (unless you cheat) but no complaining about the cost of food or difficulty of preparation. Also I expect the number of people who could follow this diet to be extremely low, but I also don't know how it would compare to the average dieting plan.
- adrian_b 2y ago
  There is nothing special about it. It is just a typical diet for losing weight quickly, i.e. a diet that provides only around 800 kcal/day, while providing normal quantities of proteins, essential fatty substances, vitamins and minerals, to avoid other health problems.
doener 2y ago
Fasting also beats type diabetes.
ano-ther 2y ago
This seems to be the diet https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/diabetes-remission/ https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/diabetes-... I cannot find the actual recipes. Are they available somewhere?
- nabla9 2y ago
  The food some VLCD (very low calorie diets) variant TDR (Total Diet Replacement) product. Any of them is OK if it's used by medical professionals. They 100% replace the daily diet with nutritionally balanced product that guarantees key vitamins, minerals, high quality protein, essential fats, fibre with just 800-900 kcal per day.
  - tmm84 2y ago
    I was wondering if the diet had the nutrition bits figured out. Vitamins, minerals and fatty acids along with fiber just seem very hard to fit into 800-900 kcals. I suspect they are either adding them in supplement form or the soup/shakes had the ingredients selected just so. Also, I wonder what the taste of the shakes/soups are like. If they taste horrible sticking with it may be difficult. Especially, if the person switching to this has a current habit of eating foods that are very salty, sweet or oily.

8 points by nabla9 2y ago

enjoyyourlife 2y ago

Can simply losing weight beat type 2 diabetes? What is special about this diet?

nabla9 2y ago
It's a "very low-energy diet". You need to restrict calorie intake significantly for 3 month period for metabolism to change for the desired result. Many people could not finish the program.
ghufran_syed 2y ago
yes, its the weight loss that can reverse the diabetes, not the specific diet
- nabla9 2y ago
  So far research shows remission is from very low calorie diets, not from weight loss in general. Weight helps to treat symptoms and has huge health benefits even without remission.
cbhl 2y ago
My impression is that the default recommendation from the literature is "Mediterranean diet with counseling from a certified nutritionist" and evidence of any other diet that works would help expand options for folks with pre-diabetes.
- jerlam 2y ago
  What I find interesting and different about this diet is that it's a total replacement of your existing diet. It doesn't involve calorie counting, food pyramids, or vague suggestions to eat "more vegetables", "healthy oils", or "less snacks". I assume that you get a box in the mail with your food, marked for specific meals, and you can only eat what's in the box and nothing else. There is no deviation (unless you cheat) but no complaining about the cost of food or difficulty of preparation. Also I expect the number of people who could follow this diet to be extremely low, but I also don't know how it would compare to the average dieting plan.
adrian_b 2y ago
There is nothing special about it. It is just a typical diet for losing weight quickly, i.e. a diet that provides only around 800 kcal/day, while providing normal quantities of proteins, essential fatty substances, vitamins and minerals, to avoid other health problems.

doener 2y ago

Fasting also beats type diabetes.

ano-ther 2y ago

This seems to be the diet https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/diabetes-remission/ https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/diabetes-... I cannot find the actual recipes. Are they available somewhere?

nabla9 2y ago
The food some VLCD (very low calorie diets) variant TDR (Total Diet Replacement) product. Any of them is OK if it's used by medical professionals. They 100% replace the daily diet with nutritionally balanced product that guarantees key vitamins, minerals, high quality protein, essential fats, fibre with just 800-900 kcal per day.
- tmm84 2y ago
  I was wondering if the diet had the nutrition bits figured out. Vitamins, minerals and fatty acids along with fiber just seem very hard to fit into 800-900 kcals. I suspect they are either adding them in supplement form or the soup/shakes had the ingredients selected just so. Also, I wonder what the taste of the shakes/soups are like. If they taste horrible sticking with it may be difficult. Especially, if the person switching to this has a current habit of eating foods that are very salty, sweet or oily.