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He is a consistent liar making fall promises that never come to fruition. I think people just generally don’t like being constantly fooled.

by ulfw 2y ago

ben_w 2y ago
> making fall promises that never come to fruition That's definitely not consistent; the SpaceX stuff may be always behind his schedule, but it does actually deliver, and even those delays are ahead of the rest of the entire industry planet-wide; and those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist and are really electric (the sucess of electric cars over e.g. hydrogen wasn't a given even when he took over).
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  SpaceX seems mostly operated by Gwynn, and the electric cars existed before Musk ever bought into Tesla. Directionally agreed though, he and his companies have achieved some really remarkable things. Makes the fall from grace, especially in such foreseeable ways (i.e. self-radicalizing on Twitter), all the more disappointing.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > SpaceX seems mostly operated by Gwynn, and the electric cars existed before Musk ever bought into Tesla Neither of which matters; the SpaceX promises are still Musk's, and the pre-Musk Tesla was losing money on each sale (all <= 147 of them). > Makes the fall from grace, especially in such foreseeable ways (i.e. self-radicalizing on Twitter), all the more disappointing. Agreed. To me, colonising Mars has a huge romantic appeal… but there's no way I'd want to be in a disconnected space habitat with an (orbital position dependent) 6-30 month return-to-Earth delay, if he's in charge of it.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  > those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist Well, except the $30K Model 3, and the $35K CyberTruck (Musk can promise all he likes that it's coming next year, but I see it coming at all as a snowball's chance in hell).

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He is a consistent liar making fall promises that never come to fruition. I think people just generally don’t like being constantly fooled.

by ulfw 2y ago

He is a consistent liar making fall promises that never come to fruition. I think people just generally don’t like being constantly fooled.

ben_w 2y ago
> making fall promises that never come to fruition That's definitely not consistent; the SpaceX stuff may be always behind his schedule, but it does actually deliver, and even those delays are ahead of the rest of the entire industry planet-wide; and those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist and are really electric (the sucess of electric cars over e.g. hydrogen wasn't a given even when he took over).
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  SpaceX seems mostly operated by Gwynn, and the electric cars existed before Musk ever bought into Tesla. Directionally agreed though, he and his companies have achieved some really remarkable things. Makes the fall from grace, especially in such foreseeable ways (i.e. self-radicalizing on Twitter), all the more disappointing.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > SpaceX seems mostly operated by Gwynn, and the electric cars existed before Musk ever bought into Tesla Neither of which matters; the SpaceX promises are still Musk's, and the pre-Musk Tesla was losing money on each sale (all <= 147 of them). > Makes the fall from grace, especially in such foreseeable ways (i.e. self-radicalizing on Twitter), all the more disappointing. Agreed. To me, colonising Mars has a huge romantic appeal… but there's no way I'd want to be in a disconnected space habitat with an (orbital position dependent) 6-30 month return-to-Earth delay, if he's in charge of it.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  > those cars he sells don't have FSD, but they do actually exist Well, except the $30K Model 3, and the $35K CyberTruck (Musk can promise all he likes that it's coming next year, but I see it coming at all as a snowball's chance in hell).