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Have you considered that maybe Airhart and its founders have thought through those inevitable hurdles and decided to push forward anyway? Even if they don’t ul

Have you considered that maybe Airhart and its founders have thought through those inevitable hurdles and decided to push forward anyway? Even if they don’t ultimately succeed, so what? This is how true innovation happens—someone decides to take a chance on an idea/concept everyone else thinks is impossible or unrealistic. There are innovators and then there are armchair critics who just tell the innovators all of the reasons why they’re going to fail.

EncomLab 2y ago
This "armchair critic" was an engineer at VisionAire Corp. in the late 90's and watched a truly innovative aircraft and company be consumed by the red tape and outright corporate protectionism of the regulatory bureaucracy. Not only have I considered it - I lived it. What relevant experience do you bring to this discussion?
- jay-barronville 2y ago
  Good for you. Why didn’t you answer my question though? > Have you considered that maybe Airhart and its founders have thought through those inevitable hurdles and decided to push forward anyway? Do you genuinely think you’re the first person to tell them all of the reasons why they’re going to fail? Wouldn’t it be much more useful to try to understand, in good faith, why they’re pushing forward with this venture anyway despite all of the hurdles in their future?
  - EncomLab 2y ago
    Have you considered that a significant number of companies that are presented - in good faith - as revolutionary startups that will open aviation to the masses are just investment schemes? I understand that they are pushing forward with this venture and are actively seeking investments "despite the hurdles" - what is your play in this?
    - jay-barronville 2y ago
      > Have you considered that a significant number of companies that are presented - in good faith - as revolutionary startups that will open aviation to the masses are just investment schemes? So you’re suggesting that Airhart is just engaged in an investment scheme? Do you have any evidence to support that?
      - EncomLab 2y ago
        Have you heard of occam's razor? Time will tell - in the meantime what you chose to believe and what I chose to believe are equally worthless opinions.
Stevvo 2y ago
Look at their staff; all engineers, nobody there who has ever got anything past the FAA.
- jay-barronville 2y ago
  > Look at their staff; all engineers, nobody there who has ever got anything past the FAA. So what? When the Collison brothers founded Stripe, they (1) were young, (2) had no experience at all in the domain, (3) weren’t even U.S. citizens, (4) were entering a highly regulated space, and (5) were about to compete with some very powerful institutions that have existed forever worth billions and billions of dollars. In the eyes of folks who just look at all of the ways you can fail, they were extremely unattractive and Stripe’s fate was obvious failure. Today, most Americans can’t avoid using Stripe (both directly and indirectly) even if they tried. They’ve overcome all of those hurdles to the point of making it easy for the average engineer to build products without even having to think about the hurdles, dealing with regulators, etc. I vividly remember how awful the process of implementing payments was prior to Stripe (the process took a very long time)—they changed the game. Maybe Airhart fails or maybe they just manage to change the game.
  - EncomLab 2y ago
    Are you seriously comparing a payment processor to an airplane manufacturer? Are you aware that Stripe received VC funding from Musk, Thiel and Sequoia in order to keep it from competing with PayPal and to provide a second-source provider to protect PayPal from accusations of monopolization of online processing fees? Are you aware that the storyline you are promoting is in fact a specifically curated myth?
    - jay-barronville 2y ago
      > Are you seriously comparing a payment processor to an airplane manufacturer? Clearly, my comparison had more to do with the regulation aspect than actually comparing payments and airplanes. Did you read the comment I was responding to?

EncomLab 2y ago

This "armchair critic" was an engineer at VisionAire Corp. in the late 90's and watched a truly innovative aircraft and company be consumed by the red tape and outright corporate protectionism of the regulatory bureaucracy. Not only have I considered it - I lived it. What relevant experience do you bring to this discussion?

jay-barronville 2y ago
Good for you. Why didn’t you answer my question though? > Have you considered that maybe Airhart and its founders have thought through those inevitable hurdles and decided to push forward anyway? Do you genuinely think you’re the first person to tell them all of the reasons why they’re going to fail? Wouldn’t it be much more useful to try to understand, in good faith, why they’re pushing forward with this venture anyway despite all of the hurdles in their future?
- EncomLab 2y ago
  Have you considered that a significant number of companies that are presented - in good faith - as revolutionary startups that will open aviation to the masses are just investment schemes? I understand that they are pushing forward with this venture and are actively seeking investments "despite the hurdles" - what is your play in this?
  - jay-barronville 2y ago
    > Have you considered that a significant number of companies that are presented - in good faith - as revolutionary startups that will open aviation to the masses are just investment schemes? So you’re suggesting that Airhart is just engaged in an investment scheme? Do you have any evidence to support that?
    - EncomLab 2y ago
      Have you heard of occam's razor? Time will tell - in the meantime what you chose to believe and what I chose to believe are equally worthless opinions.

Stevvo 2y ago

Look at their staff; all engineers, nobody there who has ever got anything past the FAA.

jay-barronville 2y ago
> Look at their staff; all engineers, nobody there who has ever got anything past the FAA. So what? When the Collison brothers founded Stripe, they (1) were young, (2) had no experience at all in the domain, (3) weren’t even U.S. citizens, (4) were entering a highly regulated space, and (5) were about to compete with some very powerful institutions that have existed forever worth billions and billions of dollars. In the eyes of folks who just look at all of the ways you can fail, they were extremely unattractive and Stripe’s fate was obvious failure. Today, most Americans can’t avoid using Stripe (both directly and indirectly) even if they tried. They’ve overcome all of those hurdles to the point of making it easy for the average engineer to build products without even having to think about the hurdles, dealing with regulators, etc. I vividly remember how awful the process of implementing payments was prior to Stripe (the process took a very long time)—they changed the game. Maybe Airhart fails or maybe they just manage to change the game.
- EncomLab 2y ago
  Are you seriously comparing a payment processor to an airplane manufacturer? Are you aware that Stripe received VC funding from Musk, Thiel and Sequoia in order to keep it from competing with PayPal and to provide a second-source provider to protect PayPal from accusations of monopolization of online processing fees? Are you aware that the storyline you are promoting is in fact a specifically curated myth?
  - jay-barronville 2y ago
    > Are you seriously comparing a payment processor to an airplane manufacturer? Clearly, my comparison had more to do with the regulation aspect than actually comparing payments and airplanes. Did you read the comment I was responding to?