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That’s misunderstanding the human spirit in my opinion. Maybe some would coast and be happy with whatever the basic income is, but I suspect many others would

That’s misunderstanding the human spirit in my opinion. Maybe some would coast and be happy with whatever the basic income is, but I suspect many others would strive and do more. If not for survival and the privilege of having food + a roof (like it is now), then mostly for the satisfaction. I don’t subscribe to the theory that giving everyone a basic income would instantly turn everyone into a couch potato. That’s just not how a healthy person thinks/functions. At least not in the long term.

stoperaticless 2y ago
Not over night, but there is long term risk. First, I admit, I believe in certain stereotypes that X people are more hardworking than Y people. (On average) I believe so, because I believe that upbringing has tremendous impact of how an adult lives, commits and achieves things, and different cultures have different styles of life, and consequently guide kids differently. UBI most definitely would not change things over night, but it could (I mean that it’s probable) start the shift towards “couch patato” like end of culture spectrum.
- immibis 2y ago
  We've 100xed the amount of production per human. Surely we can afford to risk some couch potatoes bringing that down to 80x if it makes everyone happier.
  - slfnflctd 2y ago
    IF it makes everyone happier. That's a pretty big 'if'. I would be all for it in that case, but my intuition is that the results would be more mixed. Worth exploring for sure nonetheless.
satyrnein 2y ago
I agree that people have creative impulses, and not everyone wants to be a couch potato. However, I imagine a lot of people would rather noodle around on a guitar (or try to be a YouTuber, or mess with RPGmaker, or write a blog, etc) than haul trash all day. If we subsidize that, we might end up flooded with physical trash and digital trash.
- ornornor 2y ago
  We could pay "garbage hauling" more to incentivize. Or maybe it will accelerate R&D to design robots to do that tedious job instead?

stoperaticless 2y ago

Not over night, but there is long term risk. First, I admit, I believe in certain stereotypes that X people are more hardworking than Y people. (On average) I believe so, because I believe that upbringing has tremendous impact of how an adult lives, commits and achieves things, and different cultures have different styles of life, and consequently guide kids differently. UBI most definitely would not change things over night, but it could (I mean that it’s probable) start the shift towards “couch patato” like end of culture spectrum.

immibis 2y ago
We've 100xed the amount of production per human. Surely we can afford to risk some couch potatoes bringing that down to 80x if it makes everyone happier.
- slfnflctd 2y ago
  IF it makes everyone happier. That's a pretty big 'if'. I would be all for it in that case, but my intuition is that the results would be more mixed. Worth exploring for sure nonetheless.

satyrnein 2y ago

I agree that people have creative impulses, and not everyone wants to be a couch potato. However, I imagine a lot of people would rather noodle around on a guitar (or try to be a YouTuber, or mess with RPGmaker, or write a blog, etc) than haul trash all day. If we subsidize that, we might end up flooded with physical trash and digital trash.

ornornor 2y ago
We could pay "garbage hauling" more to incentivize. Or maybe it will accelerate R&D to design robots to do that tedious job instead?