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No. As a species we are a pitlies, merciless, relentless machine. We poison the sea. We poison the land. We poison ourselves. We are geo-engineering our planet
by MrVandemar 2y ago
No.
As a species we are a pitlies, merciless, relentless machine. We poison the sea. We poison the land. We poison ourselves. We are geo-engineering our planet to a point way beyond our environmental tolerances.
Because we need our phones. We need our cars. We need population to grow because otherwise nobody's making money, and we need arable land to feed that population.
We will burn.
You will all burn with us.
- chickenchase-rd 2y agoLet's all have another Orange Julius.
- ghostDancer 2y agoThink of all the profits and growth that would be lost if we take care of Earth. Think of the rich.
- ponector 2y agoYou are wrong. Rich will be rich and can easily pay x5 price for free range grass-fed eco friendly zero emission kosher halal no-gmo food. Who suffer are actually poor people. There is even a recent example: chemical fertilizers ban in Sri Lanka. It destroyed local farming and many poor people struggle a lot as the consequences.
- ghostDancer 2y agoI think I should have added the /s. I agree with you and that was the point as it mainly affects poor people the owners/rich people don't mind, in fact it's better for them as desperate people are easier to be abused as we can see all around the world. They tell us not take long showers while they keep the water for golf courses. Not to mention airplane traveling, etc ... In the end it will affect them but in the meantime all the rest are going to pay the bill.
- madaxe_again 2y agoIt isn’t even that complicated. Humans just like destroying things. I sit here, listening to a bulldozer demolishing woodland just outside the perimeter of our land in order to turn it into bare earth. Not to plant. Not to use. Just to clear, because that’s tidier, and there are wild animals in the forest. Such is man. Our road will wash away this winter because of what they’re doing today, and while they destroy, we plant. Like fighting the tide with a teaspoon. People tell me there are no bees here any more - the apiculturists who put their hives in their olive groves that they spray several times a year to deter hornets (not asiatic hornets, just boring, gentle, European hornets) are puzzled by their decline. Meanwhile, I throw hives into random spots in the forest, and they are all full of bees who chose them as home. Butterflies and moths abound - we have Europe’s largest moth, and the world’s smallest butterfly, and meadow fritillaries coat the riverbanks like a gently breathing carpet, scattering in clouds as you approach. All we do is we let nature be, work with existing systems, cut some dead brash here to make a path, scatter some seeds and saplings there to grow the patch of scrubby trees. Even the custodians of nature have completely lost their connection, as when one owns a tractor, one must use it. So on I go with the teaspoon.
- toenail 2y agoYou could consider getting some help for that anxiety.
- thinkingtoilet 2y agoIs he wrong? We're clearly destroying the planet.
- toenail 2y agoYes, there is no evidence we will "burn". An increase in temperature does not ignite the planet.
- thinkingtoilet 2y agoI think it was metaphorical.
- dubcanada 2y agoI mean you're kind of being a bit silly. I don't think OP is saying we will spontaneously catch on fire and die. I think they are suggesting that vegetation which can only support a certain amount of heat and no water will parish. Also funny enough we can only support a certain amount of heat and no water. It is pretty apparent that we are going to have water problems in the coming decades. You don't need to be a scientist to put those two together. I am not saying we can't fix it, I do not hold the same outlook as OP. But we will have problems. Even if you don't believe global warming, there is obvious signs of issues popping up with water, and heat. Mexico, parts of USA, Canada, etc limiting water usage and saying they'll run out if it doesn't rain. That will be a problem.
- ponector 2y agoThe sea is fine, the land is fine. The planet is fine as well. Think of many extinction events this planet had previously. Up to 90% of life died. However, humanity needs to pay more respect to the habitats of the native species. But for a few dollars people easily looks the other way, unfortunately.
- MrVandemar 2y agoThe planet is fine. The eco-system upon which we all ultimately depend is most definitely is not fine.
- ponector 2y agoEco systems are feeling worse, true. But we are not really depend on most of them. We'll be fine without corals, polar bears and with half rainforests. Harsh weather events are coming, but we will be fine.
- aziaziazi 2y agoI’m sure you’ll be even finer than the today’s ghanaian living in the world dump. Forestwise: > Since the end of the last ice age — 10,000 years ago — the world has lost one-third of its forests [0] > Half of the global forest loss occurred between 8,000 BCE and 1900; the other half was lost in the last century alone. [0] Good news: rich countries forest are in growing again in a U curve. Bad news: those countries also imports more wood than ever. Coral polypes are habitats for many other species that some humans depends. 0 https://ourworldindata.org/deforestation https://ourworldindata.org/deforestation
- stinos 2y agoWe'd also be 'fine' as in 'surviving' without music and other arts and any other creative/emotionally uplifting/mentally challenging thing. Which happens to be something actively sought-after by humanity.
- taylodl 2y agoWe will be fine, for some definition of fine. I just don't think that definition aligns with what most people think of as being "fine."
- LinXitoW 2y agoIn the context of pollinators, our pointless want of animal products is a far bigger factor. Something like 75% of farmland is used for animal AG, which only provides x<<75% of calories and protein we consume. Honey comes from a farm animal, the honey bee, that is out competing other native animals, and has all the fun problems of a monoculture.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoThat quickly comes to mind while reading HNers boast about their feel-good milkweed garden. We step over dollar bills to pick up pennies, and it’s very hard to get red pilled out of it.
- squigz 2y agoI absolutely loathe doomer FUD. I've always been curious why one would stick around if one is so certain about humanity's path