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Cookie banners show everything that's wrong with the EU

6 points by dotcoma 2y ago

raverbashing 2y ago
Can we say this article show everything that's wrong with Tech in interpreting legislation? > All because the EU has no mechanism for self-correcting its legislative failures Kind of. EU legislative issues notwithstanding, a lot of this rests in the implementation, interpretation and past decisions. Again, GDPR is not about "cookie popups". A small part of it is about cookie popups. Most cookie popups are not even compliant with the darn thing Visiting a website nowadays is the equivalent into going into a store and being x-rayed, photographed and your ID copied. What are your suggestions to prevent this? Now, I do think the criticism in how things are working is totally valid. Also for over regulation. And then we ask the tech people how should that work, and they would suggest an in-browser solution to deny cookies, which is fine but was lobbied down by the adtech industry (curiously the same people that likes to show non-compliant popups). You can still use extensions. I use consent-o-matic
- KingOfCoders 2y ago
  "x-rayed, photographed and your ID copied." And then the data sold to the highest bidder to make a profit.
Etheryte 2y ago
Nothing new in or interesting in this article, yet another fundamental misunderstanding of how the law even works. If companies didn't want to track you to oblivion and beyond, they wouldn't need to "have spent billions on cookie banner compliance". As they say, the gears of the law turn slowly, but grind finely, personally I'm very happy with the direction EU is going, even if it takes some time to figure out all the small details along the way.
- dazc 2y ago
  Regardless of the actual legislation, the widespread implementation of cookie banners has resulted in default acceptance by the general public who have no idea what it is they are actually consenting to.
- KingOfCoders 2y ago
  As an EU citizen, same here. I don't want to be tracked and my behaviour sold to the highest bidder without my consent. And again, DHH is clever, "because if the EU can screw up something as basic as cookie banners this bad" not sure why he doesn't get this. While his other points are worth discussing, and we can discuss the lack of second of second order thinking by politicians, him mischaracterizing cookie banners as EU law, makes it hard to take the article seriously. The reason for cookie banners is a corporate culture of "checklist compliancy" - the same that also led to CrowdStrike.
reify 2y ago
Lots of moaning about cookie banners. I dont have any issue with them because I do not see or have to deal with them. Simply install ublock origin, go to the filter lists: enable everything in "Annoyances" and "cookie notices" you could of course install "Ghostery" which does pretty much the same thing. Job done no more cookie banners to moan about.
- theGeatZhopa 2y ago
  While it's true, it's not always possible to do so. We also have to take this into our scope :) I also can recommend "Nervenschoner" add-on (for Firefox, idk if other browsers are supported too) Add-ons like "I don't care about cookies" (which is not maintained anymore) do exactly the opposite of intended: they solely try to find the "accept all" button and click on it. It's in the name hahahha
theGeatZhopa 2y ago
I don't like the banners but it's a small pain compared to being tracked, lied to and sold. People, use adblockers and always decline cookies. It's the only weapon left for us.
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6 points by dotcoma 2y ago

Can we say this article show everything that's wrong with Tech in interpreting legislation? > All because the EU has no mechanism for self-correcting its legislative failures Kind of. EU legislative issues notwithstanding, a lot of this rests in the implementation, interpretation and past decisions. Again, GDPR is not about "cookie popups". A small part of it is about cookie popups. Most cookie popups are not even compliant with the darn thing Visiting a website nowadays is the equivalent into going into a store and being x-rayed, photographed and your ID copied. What are your suggestions to prevent this? Now, I do think the criticism in how things are working is totally valid. Also for over regulation. And then we ask the tech people how should that work, and they would suggest an in-browser solution to deny cookies, which is fine but was lobbied down by the adtech industry (curiously the same people that likes to show non-compliant popups). You can still use extensions. I use consent-o-matic

KingOfCoders 2y ago
"x-rayed, photographed and your ID copied." And then the data sold to the highest bidder to make a profit.

Etheryte 2y ago

Nothing new in or interesting in this article, yet another fundamental misunderstanding of how the law even works. If companies didn't want to track you to oblivion and beyond, they wouldn't need to "have spent billions on cookie banner compliance". As they say, the gears of the law turn slowly, but grind finely, personally I'm very happy with the direction EU is going, even if it takes some time to figure out all the small details along the way.

dazc 2y ago
Regardless of the actual legislation, the widespread implementation of cookie banners has resulted in default acceptance by the general public who have no idea what it is they are actually consenting to.
KingOfCoders 2y ago
As an EU citizen, same here. I don't want to be tracked and my behaviour sold to the highest bidder without my consent. And again, DHH is clever, "because if the EU can screw up something as basic as cookie banners this bad" not sure why he doesn't get this. While his other points are worth discussing, and we can discuss the lack of second of second order thinking by politicians, him mischaracterizing cookie banners as EU law, makes it hard to take the article seriously. The reason for cookie banners is a corporate culture of "checklist compliancy" - the same that also led to CrowdStrike.

reify 2y ago

Lots of moaning about cookie banners. I dont have any issue with them because I do not see or have to deal with them. Simply install ublock origin, go to the filter lists: enable everything in "Annoyances" and "cookie notices" you could of course install "Ghostery" which does pretty much the same thing. Job done no more cookie banners to moan about.

theGeatZhopa 2y ago
While it's true, it's not always possible to do so. We also have to take this into our scope :) I also can recommend "Nervenschoner" add-on (for Firefox, idk if other browsers are supported too) Add-ons like "I don't care about cookies" (which is not maintained anymore) do exactly the opposite of intended: they solely try to find the "accept all" button and click on it. It's in the name hahahha

theGeatZhopa 2y ago

I don't like the banners but it's a small pain compared to being tracked, lied to and sold. People, use adblockers and always decline cookies. It's the only weapon left for us.

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