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> if you think it's everywhere One of the counterpoint is vim not being available on Windows. But It is. Not by default, but most critical stuff aren't there

> if you think it's everywhere One of the counterpoint is vim not being available on Windows. But It is. Not by default, but most critical stuff aren't there by default anyway and vim will be one of the easiest block to have ready. Then Windows comes with WSL, where I think most people who even care in passing about vim will spend their time, so we're back to the editor they'd use on Linux anyway. That was to me the main reason I went with Vim when I first touched an nuix system, and to this day that's still a good enough reason to keep using it where a full IDE isn't required. Any system I've seen had a simple enough way to get vim, that hasn't changed.

johncoltrane 2y ago
At the time of writing, the supposed ubiquity of Vim, or rather Vi-clones, was often touted as a strong selling point by people with a severe case of Linux-myopia. The "counterpoint" is not that Vim is not _available_ on Windows. It is that Vim is not on Windows _out of the box_. You must install the native binary to have it or, like you suggest, install _another system_ on your machine… that actually comes with Vim. "Can have X" is not the same as "has X". FWIW, experimenting with Linux is also what got me hooked to Vim (and the shell and all the rest) in the first place, but rose-tinted glasses are not for me.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  I'm with you on vim not being there out of the box. I mean, even on Debian it's not in by default. But I also feel that ship has sailed for most software. We joke that windows/macos's default browser is only there to go install Chrome/firefox or any other browser of choice, and I see the wider reality of it as most OSes requirement a decent amount of installation to get to a usable point, even for very basic tasks. It's still easier to use software that is mostly available everywhere in mostly the same shape and form (also why so many people bet on VSCode I think)
eviks 2y ago
The "everywhere" argument is exactly about the defaults, otherwise there's no benefit, most alternatives are available via an install
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  Yes and no, if you favorite editor was Tilde you'd be in a lot more pain to have it work on most non linux. Vim is either already installed or at one click/one command away almost whatever the system you use, that's the closest we'll ever have from "everywhere" in this day and age IMHO.

johncoltrane 2y ago

At the time of writing, the supposed ubiquity of Vim, or rather Vi-clones, was often touted as a strong selling point by people with a severe case of Linux-myopia. The "counterpoint" is not that Vim is not _available_ on Windows. It is that Vim is not on Windows _out of the box_. You must install the native binary to have it or, like you suggest, install _another system_ on your machine… that actually comes with Vim. "Can have X" is not the same as "has X". FWIW, experimenting with Linux is also what got me hooked to Vim (and the shell and all the rest) in the first place, but rose-tinted glasses are not for me.

makeitdouble 2y ago
I'm with you on vim not being there out of the box. I mean, even on Debian it's not in by default. But I also feel that ship has sailed for most software. We joke that windows/macos's default browser is only there to go install Chrome/firefox or any other browser of choice, and I see the wider reality of it as most OSes requirement a decent amount of installation to get to a usable point, even for very basic tasks. It's still easier to use software that is mostly available everywhere in mostly the same shape and form (also why so many people bet on VSCode I think)

eviks 2y ago

The "everywhere" argument is exactly about the defaults, otherwise there's no benefit, most alternatives are available via an install

makeitdouble 2y ago
Yes and no, if you favorite editor was Tilde you'd be in a lot more pain to have it work on most non linux. Vim is either already installed or at one click/one command away almost whatever the system you use, that's the closest we'll ever have from "everywhere" in this day and age IMHO.