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I don't buy that thin-and-light requires glued batteries, soldered ram, and proprietary hdd connectors. As exhibits A, B and C I cite my Thinkpad 420s and the

by jbellis 14y ago

I don't buy that thin-and-light requires glued batteries, soldered ram, and proprietary hdd connectors. As exhibits A, B and C I cite my Thinkpad 420s and the machines I almost got instead, the Samsung series 9 and Sony Vaio Z.

taligent 14y ago
It's easy not to buy it when you are deluding yourself. Thinkpad 420 - Core i5 versus i7. Only up to 8GB. 3cm versus 1.8cm. Samsung Series 9 - 13inch. Much slower i7 CPU. Vaio Z - 2.5cm thick at max point versus 1.8cm.
- jbellis 14y ago
  You're misinformed and/or looking at older models. As I pointed out to another response, I'm talking about the 420s model, not the 420. The 420s is substantially slimmer, and mine has an i7. I believe the 420s does max out at 8GB, but it's a year old at this point; the replacement 430s does accomodate up to 16GB. There is a 15" model of the series 9. It's a full pound lighter than the retina mbp. I strongly suspect it can be ordered with the same i7 you can get on the mpb, but I don't remember off the top of my head. No idea what you're talking about with the Vaio Z. This is the one I'm talking about: 2.6 pounds, 0.66" thick. Yes, this one actually is a 13" machine, but before you go setting up a straw man remember that my point was about thin-and-light engineering, not about 15" laptops. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/sony-vaio-z-series-ivy-bridge-refresh/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/sony-vaio-z-series-ivy-br...
akgerber 14y ago
That machine is 2 pounds heavier, half again as thick, and has a shorter battery life; in other words, it's more like the cheaper model 15" Pro, which is also easily upgradeable, and also an inch thick and lighter at 5.5 lb.
- jbellis 14y ago
  Please note that I cited the 420s, not 420. It's under 4 pounds, which is half a pound lighter than the new mpb. It's slimmer than my 15" old-gen mpb, although I believe the retina is slightly thinner still.
  - achompas 14y ago
    This is kinda moot, as Lenovo doesn't sell the 420s online anymore. Are there any decent alternatives?
    - marcocampos 14y ago
      The new T430s. Just came out.
    - Ralith 14y ago
      What? Both the 420s and its successor, the 430s, are available directly from Lenovo's site--it took me only seconds to find them: http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/t-series/ http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/t-series/
  - AllenKids 14y ago
    I'm sorry but isn't T4xx series 14" machines? Which is very relevant to the weight comparing to the 15 incher. Every MBP since the unibody design is 0.95" thick(of course except for the new retina one) and the T420S is 21.2mm-26.0mm thick, how is it slimmer?
ak217 14y ago
I agree with you on T420s vs. MBP. But it doesn't stand a chance against the 13" Macbook Air (my favorite, also because it's relatively inexpensive). When I got a T420s, I was surprised by how little of an improvement it was in terms of screen, weight and thickness with respect to the T40 series. As the standard bearer for quality PC laptops, Lenovo has had years to come up with an answer to the Air, and I think it has failed.

by jbellis 14y ago

taligent 14y ago

It's easy not to buy it when you are deluding yourself. Thinkpad 420 - Core i5 versus i7. Only up to 8GB. 3cm versus 1.8cm. Samsung Series 9 - 13inch. Much slower i7 CPU. Vaio Z - 2.5cm thick at max point versus 1.8cm.

jbellis 14y ago
You're misinformed and/or looking at older models. As I pointed out to another response, I'm talking about the 420s model, not the 420. The 420s is substantially slimmer, and mine has an i7. I believe the 420s does max out at 8GB, but it's a year old at this point; the replacement 430s does accomodate up to 16GB. There is a 15" model of the series 9. It's a full pound lighter than the retina mbp. I strongly suspect it can be ordered with the same i7 you can get on the mpb, but I don't remember off the top of my head. No idea what you're talking about with the Vaio Z. This is the one I'm talking about: 2.6 pounds, 0.66" thick. Yes, this one actually is a 13" machine, but before you go setting up a straw man remember that my point was about thin-and-light engineering, not about 15" laptops. http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/sony-vaio-z-series-ivy-bridge-refresh/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/sony-vaio-z-series-ivy-br...

akgerber 14y ago

That machine is 2 pounds heavier, half again as thick, and has a shorter battery life; in other words, it's more like the cheaper model 15" Pro, which is also easily upgradeable, and also an inch thick and lighter at 5.5 lb.

jbellis 14y ago
Please note that I cited the 420s, not 420. It's under 4 pounds, which is half a pound lighter than the new mpb. It's slimmer than my 15" old-gen mpb, although I believe the retina is slightly thinner still.
- achompas 14y ago
  This is kinda moot, as Lenovo doesn't sell the 420s online anymore. Are there any decent alternatives?
  - marcocampos 14y ago
    The new T430s. Just came out.
  - Ralith 14y ago
    What? Both the 420s and its successor, the 430s, are available directly from Lenovo's site--it took me only seconds to find them: http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/t-series/ http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/t-series/
- AllenKids 14y ago
  I'm sorry but isn't T4xx series 14" machines? Which is very relevant to the weight comparing to the 15 incher. Every MBP since the unibody design is 0.95" thick(of course except for the new retina one) and the T420S is 21.2mm-26.0mm thick, how is it slimmer?

ak217 14y ago

I agree with you on T420s vs. MBP. But it doesn't stand a chance against the 13" Macbook Air (my favorite, also because it's relatively inexpensive). When I got a T420s, I was surprised by how little of an improvement it was in terms of screen, weight and thickness with respect to the T40 series. As the standard bearer for quality PC laptops, Lenovo has had years to come up with an answer to the Air, and I think it has failed.