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Nothing is ever going to happen. Google, Apple etc are the US's international economic arm that ensures competing countries never develop a threatening IT secto

Nothing is ever going to happen. Google, Apple etc are the US's international economic arm that ensures competing countries never develop a threatening IT sector. They're very happy to let any foreign startup be gobbled up, for example. Negative consequences on the domestic market are just an unfortunate byproduct.

j_maffe 2y ago
I think in this case it could, simply because all of the competitors are American, none are foreign.
- g15jv2dp 2y ago
  No, there are non-US competitors. Qwant, Mojeek, Seznam... You might reply, "but they're small" or "I haven't heard of them". Well, how do you think that came to be? Besides, I'm replying to a comment about the wider trust case against google. It's not just about search engines.
  - dangus 2y ago
    Seznam took over 10 seconds for me to load start to finish and I'm on gigabit fiber. It has no English language option. Maybe that's why I haven't heard of them? Although Qwant looks kind of nice and obviously localized. I also think it's interesting that I know about Kagi already but don't know about Mojeek despite Kagi using their results. I fully agree that Google is a monopolist that has been oppressing the search engine market but at some point if you're going to start a company you need to do some marketing. DuckDuckGo is an example of success in that realm, it's nearly overtaken Yahoo.
    - ricardo81 2y ago
      DDG have done very well with their marketing. It may have a lot to do with them not having to develop a search engine from scratch though, since they use the Bing API for their results. Mojeek predates them by some years but does their own crawling/indexing/ranking. Even Ecosia who are essentially identical on the back-end (Bing results) market themselves on planting trees for every search and I see them mentioned a bunch. Interestingly they don't seem to factor in the energy consumed on Bing's side of the search - where the heavy lifting of data is done. Also that US investors have a much bigger risk appetite means the likes of Neeva (who IIRC were also using other's results) can spring into existence and seemingly get a love in from the press because of their big tech connection.

j_maffe 2y ago

I think in this case it could, simply because all of the competitors are American, none are foreign.

g15jv2dp 2y ago
No, there are non-US competitors. Qwant, Mojeek, Seznam... You might reply, "but they're small" or "I haven't heard of them". Well, how do you think that came to be? Besides, I'm replying to a comment about the wider trust case against google. It's not just about search engines.
- dangus 2y ago
  Seznam took over 10 seconds for me to load start to finish and I'm on gigabit fiber. It has no English language option. Maybe that's why I haven't heard of them? Although Qwant looks kind of nice and obviously localized. I also think it's interesting that I know about Kagi already but don't know about Mojeek despite Kagi using their results. I fully agree that Google is a monopolist that has been oppressing the search engine market but at some point if you're going to start a company you need to do some marketing. DuckDuckGo is an example of success in that realm, it's nearly overtaken Yahoo.
  - ricardo81 2y ago
    DDG have done very well with their marketing. It may have a lot to do with them not having to develop a search engine from scratch though, since they use the Bing API for their results. Mojeek predates them by some years but does their own crawling/indexing/ranking. Even Ecosia who are essentially identical on the back-end (Bing results) market themselves on planting trees for every search and I see them mentioned a bunch. Interestingly they don't seem to factor in the energy consumed on Bing's side of the search - where the heavy lifting of data is done. Also that US investors have a much bigger risk appetite means the likes of Neeva (who IIRC were also using other's results) can spring into existence and seemingly get a love in from the press because of their big tech connection.