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> It takes multiple consecutive years of good luck This is profoundly incorrect. A retirement account cannot easily be withdrawn from for starters... and if yo

by Alupis 2y ago

> It takes multiple consecutive years of good luck This is profoundly incorrect. A retirement account cannot easily be withdrawn from for starters... and if you're not using a tax sheltered retirement account (why? you can open one as an individual), then at a minimum having that money go into a second bank account is as simple as filing out a form with your employer. It's amazing how quickly the money will pile up if you just forget all about it. People who honestly struggle to find $50 of unwisely-spent money per month are either very young or have spent a life messing up. It's really hard to not be able to save for retirement in the US over a 40+ year career. Like, you have to be going out of your way to make poor choices. The people spending 40+ years making poor choices then turn around and expect everyone else to provide for them in retirement. The audacity is increadible...

marssaxman 2y ago
Oh, well, have fun feeling superior, I suppose; your perspective is not going to help you understand why people who have not been quite so fortunate as you have tend to make the kinds of decisions that we do.
- Alupis 2y ago
  Explain the disconnect please. When you are young, saving anything, even $50-100 monthly ends up being significant for retirement. If you can get employer matching, it's even better. Then, over a 40+ year career, you are wanting me to believe/accept that it isn't the individual's fault they are still living paycheck to paycheck and cannot save for retirement? Like I said, you have to try to not save at that point in your career. I don't know of a single career that earns a paycheck but doesn't offer retirement plans... I know lots of jobs that don't, but not careers. People working jobs for 40+ years are indeed messing up... Saving for retirement is perhaps the easiest financial thing you will ever do. It requires filing out a form for your employer, and then you can forget about it if you want. Instead, some people want to act helpless and then expect others to carry them in retirement. Seems fair...
  - jagger27 2y ago
    Maybe try considering that $1200/yr towards retirement doesn’t provide much comfort when that doesn’t even cover a month’s worth of rent today. It’s okay to admit that while you also had it hard, younger people have it much, much harder. This shouldn’t be surprising. Home ownership is completely off the table if all that can be spared is $1200/yr. Do you even look at the price tag of bananas when you buy them? Consider perhaps that the date of your birth has more impact than your rugged sacrifice and work ethic. I see plenty of both of those things in my zoomer friends and it doesn’t make rent more affordable. I’ll add for transparency that I make a very comfortable six figure salary at an old, stable software company you’ve likely heard of. I stay in my amenity-less apartment because the rent is low enough to keep the shaky dream of home ownership alive. I even have pretty generous RSUs. I am extremely lucky. Even still, without ~equal partnership and shared ownership with someone roughly as wealthy as me, I couldn’t afford to own a home in the neighbourhood I grew up in. I’m 29 years old and have been making this much for three years. There aren’t many jobs that pay better than this. Spare me your financial advice and think of people who make less than a third of what I make who grew up next to me. Some of them work good union blue collar jobs that your parents would have respected. Everything has outpaced wage growth. Everything.
    - Alupis 2y ago
      It's $1200 a year for the first year or so, then it's more and more over a 40 year career. I don't understand why this is a difficult concept to grasp - your income increases as you develop your career... and so does your retirement contributions. This fictitious person who can't scrape together $100 a month for retirement but has worked for 5, 10, 20+ years is a complete myth, or a total failure on a personal level.

by Alupis 2y ago

marssaxman 2y ago

Oh, well, have fun feeling superior, I suppose; your perspective is not going to help you understand why people who have not been quite so fortunate as you have tend to make the kinds of decisions that we do.

Alupis 2y ago
Explain the disconnect please. When you are young, saving anything, even $50-100 monthly ends up being significant for retirement. If you can get employer matching, it's even better. Then, over a 40+ year career, you are wanting me to believe/accept that it isn't the individual's fault they are still living paycheck to paycheck and cannot save for retirement? Like I said, you have to try to not save at that point in your career. I don't know of a single career that earns a paycheck but doesn't offer retirement plans... I know lots of jobs that don't, but not careers. People working jobs for 40+ years are indeed messing up... Saving for retirement is perhaps the easiest financial thing you will ever do. It requires filing out a form for your employer, and then you can forget about it if you want. Instead, some people want to act helpless and then expect others to carry them in retirement. Seems fair...
- jagger27 2y ago
  Maybe try considering that $1200/yr towards retirement doesn’t provide much comfort when that doesn’t even cover a month’s worth of rent today. It’s okay to admit that while you also had it hard, younger people have it much, much harder. This shouldn’t be surprising. Home ownership is completely off the table if all that can be spared is $1200/yr. Do you even look at the price tag of bananas when you buy them? Consider perhaps that the date of your birth has more impact than your rugged sacrifice and work ethic. I see plenty of both of those things in my zoomer friends and it doesn’t make rent more affordable. I’ll add for transparency that I make a very comfortable six figure salary at an old, stable software company you’ve likely heard of. I stay in my amenity-less apartment because the rent is low enough to keep the shaky dream of home ownership alive. I even have pretty generous RSUs. I am extremely lucky. Even still, without ~equal partnership and shared ownership with someone roughly as wealthy as me, I couldn’t afford to own a home in the neighbourhood I grew up in. I’m 29 years old and have been making this much for three years. There aren’t many jobs that pay better than this. Spare me your financial advice and think of people who make less than a third of what I make who grew up next to me. Some of them work good union blue collar jobs that your parents would have respected. Everything has outpaced wage growth. Everything.
  - Alupis 2y ago
    It's $1200 a year for the first year or so, then it's more and more over a 40 year career. I don't understand why this is a difficult concept to grasp - your income increases as you develop your career... and so does your retirement contributions. This fictitious person who can't scrape together $100 a month for retirement but has worked for 5, 10, 20+ years is a complete myth, or a total failure on a personal level.